butler park pitch and putt

[Beau Vine 54205]

5 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

Moving forward you pimp that place as an ice house / pitch and putt 

beer sales is where it’s at 

username checks out.

[Armybrat 40820]

8 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

Fees are going to go up 500% and they are going to cap and double-deck it..  And it’ll get gondola and light rail service.  

And showers for the bike riders, plus camping space for the bums.

[Larry T. Spider 1746]

Used to play it a lot as a kid in the 90s. Plenty of bum camping near the train tracks even back then.

[SwanderedTalent 5761]

11 hours ago, El Diablo said:

Anybody played that course at night with just a nine iron?

I played your Mom last night with just my nine iron

[El Diablo 4232]

9 minutes ago, SwanderedTalent said:

I played your Mom last night with just my nine iron

She doesn't remember it. Alzheimers for the win?

[Trey3216 15343]

1 minute ago, El Diablo said:

She doesn't remember it. Alzheimers for the win?

First time for everything, tomorrow will be the first time too.  

[bluto 4912]

for all the titty babying about the city needs more money from that piece of land... A) f that, the city has plenty of money they just blow it on stupid shit and B) ~60% of that land is in flood zone. There's ways around that for development I suppose but with how big of an issue flooding has become in texas metros, I have to imagine (hope?) things are a little more tricky now. 

[KaiserSoze 998]

130 players a day would be pretty damn high traffic 

Pshhh. I've been there on a Saturday where there were close to 130 out there simultaneously. It was more dangerous than Baghdad.

Yep. I was there last Saturday (got there ~11:00a.m.) and easily more than 130 people filtered through there by the time I left around 1:30.

It gets a pretty solid crowd after work on weekdays too.

[po elvis 2070]

does the family get anything out of this? is it like selling a business or do they just get kicked out? did they put their money into improvements? kind of sucks that this whole thing was their idea and they developed it and ran it for 70 years and it was their livelihood for all those years.

[tbone_ 14106]

Business points of the deal aside, disqualifying the bid for the reason they did is a shit ass thing to do.

[Updawg 2266]

That's pretty standard government procurement.

[HoustonHorn 1062]

I watched a lady whiff it 5 times then skull top roll it for a hole in 1 (6) on the second hole. That was probably 30 years ago. We used to play it after playing Junior tournaments in the summer.

Sometimes we hit up Peter Pan mini golf too. Guessing that isn't around anymore.

[KaiserSoze 998]

Sometimes we hit up Peter Pan mini golf too. Guessing that isn't around anymore.

It's still there.

[Dbeasy 15040]

Some of my greatest memories as a kid are at this place. We loved it.

[Pato del Muerto 52485]

Peter Pan comes up now and again when the land owners turn down a small fortune of an offer to buy. They don’t want that property to become a condo. 

[El Diablo 4232]

The cynic in me wants to speculate that the request by the city for upgrades to the course and the resulting bid proposals was instigated by someone with a financial interest in the outcome and not by general public outcry. Just a hunch. 

[ChickenSandwich 9824]

[MAUFRAIS 6615]

I could stand to see the surface of the greens upgrayedded slightly, but that clubhouse doesn’t need to be “improved” at all.

The new operators sound like douchebags.

This sucks.

[Texas_Rocks 346]

Yeah I’d be interested to hear a little about the backdoor deal between Jimmy Flannigan and Pecan Grove Partners.

[Armybrat 40820]

3 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Peter Pan comes up now and again when the land owners turn down a small fortune of an offer to buy. They don’t want that property to become a condo. 

Good,  took our kids there in the 70s...... and to the kiddie carnival ride park on the north side of the street.

[Armybrat 40820]

1 hour ago, Texas_Rocks said:

Yeah I’d be interested to hear a little about the backdoor deal between Jimmy Flannigan and Pecan Grove Partners.

Why, are you insinuating there might be bribery deals being cut in backrooms of city hall? Say it ain’t so! Never, ever happened in Austin!

[Steel Shank 9421]

9 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Peter Pan comes up now and again when the land owners turn down a small fortune of an offer to buy. They don’t want that property to become a condo. 

I was a casual acquaintance of Mike Dismukes before his passing a few years ago. Mike told me when I asked that the family wanted some of old Austin to remain and were pretty firm on keeping PP as is. Mike was an outstanding guy and a true Austinite. Y'all keep giving them business. They're good people.

[ztejas 43411]

6 hours ago, Armybrat said:

Good,  took our kids there in the 70s......

Think you meant grandkids

[tbone_ 14106]

Why, are you insinuating there might be bribery deals being cut in backrooms of city hall? Say it ain’t so! Never, ever happened in Austin!

I wish it were that simple.

[Call 393]

On 6/21/2019 at 10:25 AM, Larry T. Spider said:

Used to play it a lot as a kid in the 90s. Plenty of bum camping near the train tracks even back then.

We had a “bum drop” free drop rule if you overshot the green and ended up by the train tracks. 

 

Good times. 

[Grade of D as in David 13253]

I had to play it off Frankenstein's fat foot

[Pasken 1309]

13 hours ago, Texas_Rocks said:

Yeah I’d be interested to hear a little about the backdoor deal between Jimmy Flannigan and Pecan Grove Partners.

I think he’s the last one that would take a bribe. His reasoning was (as usual) pragmatic. The city opens itself up to being sued by the other applicants if they kick the process back so one specific company can re-bid. We have rules to prevent that kind of intervention and bringing politics into awarding government contracts.

[El Diablo 4232]

12 minutes ago, Pasken said:

I think he’s the last one that would take a bribe. His reasoning was (as usual) pragmatic. The city opens itself up to being sued by the other applicants if they kick the process back so one specific company can re-bid. We have rules to prevent that kind of intervention and bringing politics into awarding government contracts.

I may have the sequence of events all wrong in my mind but it looks to me like for the first time (ever?) the city decided (why) to not just rubberstamp the renewal of the agreement but rather to request changes and a bid process. The fact that the management that was not at this juncture allowed to simply renew as they had done for the previous 70 years turned out to be the  one bidder that fucked up their paperwork is terribly unfortunate for them but incredibly fortuitous for someone else.

[formermav43 4606]

1 hour ago, Pasken said:

I think he’s the last one that would take a bribe. His reasoning was (as usual) pragmatic. The city opens itself up to being sued by the other applicants if they kick the process back so one specific company can re-bid. We have rules to prevent that kind of intervention and bringing politics into awarding government contracts.

It shouldn’t have gotten so far along in the process for that to be a concern. Someone should have said, “Hey, you missed a signature on one page.” “Oh sorry, here you go.” That’s it.

I suppose it’s too much to ask to expect a bureaucrat to exercise even a little common sense.

[Anastasis 23457]

^ really isn’t any more complicated than this. 

 

And then you remember that that relies on a COA employee.  

Edited June 23, 2019 by Anastasis

[tx 3 putt 76865]

I went to a bid meeting once for a power plant job in east Austin. Two CoA people ran the meeting, man and a fat, vaping woman. The man would read the bid rules and the woman would constantly interject, loud and angrily, ‘if I find out xyz, your company will be banned from all CoA work ! I don’t care about removing your colony from the bid list !!!! ‘ She couldn’t finish that statement without hitting her vape. She also felt the need to make that statement 4 times. Whole deal was a shit show. I quoted double our normal bid to make sure we didn’t get the job.

[Steel Shank 9421]

Anybody ever fuck a fat, vaping CoA employee?

 

Me neither.

[tx 3 putt 76865]

It was awhile back, wasn’t a vape but the first version of smokeless type deal 

cracked me up at the time that she was hitting that thing hard. She wore it around her neck 

 

[Texas Jeff 1943]

18 hours ago, Pasken said:

I think he’s the last one that would take a bribe. His reasoning was (as usual) pragmatic. The city opens itself up to being sued by the other applicants if they kick the process back so one specific company can re-bid. We have rules to prevent that kind of intervention and bringing politics into awarding government contracts.

Did the current vendor completely fill out all of the paperwork and just fail to sign it?  If so, the intent to renew was there.  Why would reasonable person who has been on that property for 70 years file for an extension, but decide not to sign the form?  Couldn't anyone at the city just say "Hey, you forgot to sign this and we are going to ignore this if you don't sign this".

It seems like an oversight and once the mistake was made, it seems like the city used the error to make sure another vendor got the job.

[Deej 76751]

City just took the first excuse that presented itself.

 

[michaelpshayes 417]

On 6/22/2019 at 5:00 PM, ztejas said:

Think you meant grandkids

no, 1870s 

[tx 3 putt 76865]

1 hour ago, Deej said:

City just took the first excuse that presented itself.

 

This sounds very likely 

[Steel Shank 9421]

Yep. Even if the Kinser family got their proposal in, they weren't going to win. No way. C3 was getting it from the start.

[El Diablo 4232]

Ah, a traveshamockery. 

[Mappable 37]

I wonder how ACL is going to use (monetize) Butler?

“That group includes Patrick Jeffers, a Super Bowl champion as a wide receiver with the Denver Broncos, Jason Black, the son of Leon Black, a longtime coach the University of Texas men’s basketball team from 1968 to 1976. They are joined by Bart Knaggs, whose business ventures include C3 Presents, the promotion company behind such events as the Austin City Limits Festival.”

[Steamboat1874 4048]

On 6/22/2019 at 6:11 PM, tbone_ said:

I wish it were that simple.

 

[tx 3 putt 76865]

12 hours ago, Mappable said:

I wonder how ACL is going to use (monetize) Butler?

VIP parking and shuttle area 

[Updawg 2266]

They will turn it into a new corporate team building and happy hour destination

[tbone_ 14106]

Maybe even with ax throwing

[KaiserSoze 998]

1 hour ago, Updawg said:

They will turn it into a new corporate team building and happy hour destination

I've used it as my happy hour destination many times.

[Deej 76751]

They will fence it in for ACL and corral all the homeless campers from Zilker into it.