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9 minutes ago, longhornmatt said:

I’m surprised, too.  It’s obviously all conjecture at this point, but from what I would guess based on what’s been reported it seems like Epstein went big with his extortion.  For example, maybe he started out in cahoots with Les Wexner, but it sounds to me like at some point he probably blackmailed Wexner into giving him the largest and at one time most expensive mansion in Manhattan.  

In addition to being surprised he wasn’t caught and punished sooner, if he was blackmailing the rich and powerful and demanding things on that scale in return, I’m surprised he didn’t wind up dead long ago.

WSJ had a good article about that over the weekend.  At one point, Epstein was also telling him what to do with the L Brand portfolio.  Whatever the reason, Wexner was into Epstein pretty deep.

Either way, Epstein had been doing his thing with impunity for decades.  He never thought he'd get caught.

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3 minutes ago, longhornmatt said:

I’m surprised, too.  It’s obviously all conjecture at this point, but from what I would guess based on what’s been reported it seems like Epstein went big with his extortion.  For example, maybe he started out in cahoots with Les Wexner, but it sounds to me like at some point he probably blackmailed Wexner into giving him the largest and at one time most expensive mansion in Manhattan.  

In addition to being surprised he wasn’t caught and punished sooner, if he was blackmailing the rich and powerful and demanding things on that scale in return, I’m surprised he didn’t wind up dead long ago.

I was thinking the same thing re: getting whacked, which is why I can't see any individual being so successful with extortion.   Sure, he busts out the blackmail for whoever was pulling the strings on Acosta, etc., but you have to be useful to make money from criminals for so long, IMO.   Maybe it's just running the sex trafficking, but money laundering through the hedge fund makes a lot of sense to me. 

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4 minutes ago, longhornmatt said:

I’m surprised, too.  It’s obviously all conjecture at this point, but from what I would guess based on what’s been reported it seems like Epstein went big with his extortion.  For example, maybe he started out in cahoots with Les Wexner, but it sounds to me like at some point he probably blackmailed Wexner into giving him the largest and at one time most expensive mansion in Manhattan.  

In addition to being surprised he wasn’t caught and punished sooner, if he was blackmailing the rich and powerful and demanding things on that scale in return, I’m surprised he didn’t wind up dead long ago.

Blackmail potential is the cost of doing business with the mob.  There's always carrots to go along with that stick.  There's a return for those under threat of blackmail that incentivizes them to be willing participants.  Lawless sex and money, for starters.

 

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1 minute ago, Mojo Hand said:

I was thinking the same thing re: getting whacked, which is why I can't see any individual being so successful with extortion.   Sure, he busts out the blackmail for whoever was pulling the strings on Acosta, etc., but you have to be useful to make money from criminals for so long, IMO.   Maybe it's just running the sex trafficking, but money laundering through the hedge fund makes a lot of sense to me. 

He couldn’t pull it off without serious mob protection and muscle. 

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Hoffenberg is now talking about their Towers ponzi scheme that could have been Epstein's launch.  And how did Epstein skate while Hoffenberg did 18yrs in the pen ? 

 

 

The 2003 Vanity Fair profile on Epstein was in a Twitter post a couple pages back, but I’m linking here in case anyone missed it. It goes into a bit of detail on Epstein’s financial dealings in the 80s and 90s including his business deals with Hoffenberg. 

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2003/03/jeffrey-epstein-200303

The article mentions his penchant for young women which was known at the time, but the reporter has since come out and said that a part of the article that mentioned the allegations with underage girls was cut by her editor. 

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1 minute ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

He couldn’t pull it off without serious mob protection and muscle. 

Yeah, there's a reason he was never knocked off.  You knock him off, someone knocks you off.  If people knew he had a treasure trove of incriminating evidence (seems likely now) and that evidence gets released if he's killed, then he's basically untouchable.

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2 hours ago, RomaVicta said:

Are all the minors confiscated from their families by the Border Patrol and ICE accounted for?

My recollection is that there were some "sloppy" methods used to identify and track them. Some of the Border Patrol seem to be sadistic racists. If you can watch a child struggle with fever on a concrete floor, how big of a leap is it to collecting a hefty bribe to let one slip between the cracks?

The possible pedophile associated with Penn State's villain and this story about Epstein are creating the image of a network in my mind. Maybe a big network. Am I being swayed by conspiracy theories or is this real? I certainly don't want to believe it's true.

A friend of mine, who grew up amid NYC wealth and often seemed to suggest the relationship with her own father was at least borderline sexual, said that father-daughter sex among that class was not uncommon.

I think of Reversal of Fortune where Dershowitz talks to Van Bulow about the strangeness of the wealthy. 

 

I am increasingly persuaded that the 1% may have an abnormal percentage of people accustomed to sating every whim or desire. How odd that 43% of the population endorses this by ignoring or embracing the sick fuck we have as president.

I hope the new prosecutors of Epstein can shine light on every dark, filthy corner of his world. We're in for some rough revelations about people we despise and people we admire.

May justice be served.

It’s not the top one percent, a guy making 400k a year is in the top one percent. Its more like the top .0001 percent. The Uber wealthy, the owners. It’s almost impossible to fall out of that class, no matter what you do. 

You, me and everyone else hardly ever have any interaction with these people. They are like ghosts that you never see but are always there. You seem to have met them once, same as me. They are strange and have different expectations, values, etc. 

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You had told me to use google when I attempted some levity about oenophile/pedophile when we both damn well knew the difference.  And you got all pissy and said "use the google before you pants yourself on the web" aimed directly at me.  I was once again attempting a joke about you using google about passports.  This is a pretend place where none of us really behave, I suspect as we do in real life.  But you might want to seriously consider the fact that you have no sense of humor.  But hey, this is me apologizing to you in make-believe land.  Whatever you need.  Christ, you're exhausting.  


Jesus Sally, that crack about using Google was directed at that dumbass Cruiser who flounced into this thread asking for proof of Acosta’s involvement with Epstein’s previous plea deal while he also insinuated said involvement was fake news.

Not everything is about you. Get over yourself.
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You realize there's nobody on this website called Cruiser anymore.  That was my handle years ago and I gave it up when I was attached to a UT contract and wanted my posting history on shaggy deleted.  When people refer to "Cruiser", it's usually at me and usually in the negative.  Perhaps rightfully so but I take what we all post here about as seriously as I took my last blood tests.  There's no Cruiser on here.  Or shit, if there is...I should probably look into it.  So yeah, I thought it was about me.  High five!  

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3 minutes ago, Mojo Hand said:

I was thinking the same thing re: getting whacked, which is why I can't see any individual being so successful with extortion.   Sure, he busts out the blackmail for whoever was pulling the strings on Acosta, etc., but you have to be useful to make money from criminals for so long, IMO.   Maybe it's just running the sex trafficking, but money laundering through the hedge fund makes a lot of sense to me. 

Julie Brown at Miami Herald is doing the heavy lifting here.  She just broke the story about how one of the prosecutors in Epstein's FL case quit soon after the plea deal and took a job at the firm that Epstein employed for his defense.  Those defense attys also got Acosta to break the law in the process.  If a law firm is playing ball with the mob, it's not a stretch to imagine payback to a prosecutor by bringing him on after doing a job and amortizing the payment in salary over several years while doing light duty at the office.  just shit like that.

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Just for Lobo’s sensitive ass. I called out Cruiser instead of Crusher.

 

You seriously think people know all your old usernames? Pffft.

 

I even specifically called out the two assholes in my post.

 

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Here’s the entire exchange. Do better.

 

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My mistake, BamaChick.  You said "Cruiser" on a couple of posts.  And the way some posters here high-five themselves when they realize that was my old handle on the old site, I thought it was part of that.  My bad, you mistyped and I misinterpreted.  We've agreed on pretty much everything on this site, outside of Beto's smile.  But yeah, Crusher has his moments, too.  I'm moving on and I apologize again. 

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43 minutes ago, longhornmatt said:

I’m surprised, too.  It’s obviously all conjecture at this point, but from what I would guess based on what’s been reported it seems like Epstein went big with his extortion.  For example, maybe he started out in cahoots with Les Wexner, but it sounds to me like at some point he probably blackmailed Wexner into giving him the largest and at one time most expensive mansion in Manhattan.  

In addition to being surprised he wasn’t caught and punished sooner, if he was blackmailing the rich and powerful and demanding things on that scale in return, I’m surprised he didn’t wind up dead long ago.

The billionaires are probably easy enough to blackmail. That's not surprising. What is surprising is that nobody else talked. A construction CEO is one thing. All the workers who do the work are another. I doubt they are paying them enough to keep quiet, and they don't make actual death threats like the mob does. 

And that's before you start talking about staff that is around most of the time like pilots, drivers, maids, cooks, security, and IT people. Maybe he was paying them all 7 figures to keep quiet but that seems doubtful.  There isn't that much money to go around.  Loyalty can keep people quiet when it comes to fraud, white collar crime, legal porn, and legal sex, but pedophilia has always been a deal breaker for most people. 

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1 hour ago, triplehorn said:

Re money laundering, again keep in mind Deutsche Bank severed ties with Epstein this year.  And last week DB claims they "spread themselves too thin" into the corners of the banking industry (too thin to keep a legal eye on everything ?) and announced cutting 20% of their global workforce (18k+ jobs).  Could be coinicidental, could be chickens coming home to roost.  

To be clear, what DB has been involved in, on the global money laundering front, is bigger than Jeff Epstein, but he appears to be a spoke in the wheel -->  Transnational criminal organizations, aka The Second Economy.

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and that Ash Wednesday came very early that year so the raping did take a 40-day pause.  Your honor, please refer to your celestial calendar.  Speaking of Celeste, you fucking pedophile.  

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"This issue here is not whether my client broke a few rules, or took a few liberties with his female party guests.  He did.  But you can't hold an entire secret society responsible for the behavior of a few sick, twisted individuals.  For if you do, shouldn't we blame the whole justice system?  And if the whole justice system is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our whole system of government in general?  I put it to you, Judge Berman -- isn't this an indictment of our entire American society?  Well, you can do whatever you want to my client, but he's not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America!  Sir!"

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1 hour ago, JimmyJames said:

I’m ignorant on the passport issue. How difficult would it be to obtain a fake one? I would think that would be pretty damn difficult. 

If you have hundreds of millions of dollars and the right contacts (both in government and with shady individuals), I always assumed it would be  somewhat trivial to arrange that sort of thing. 

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Missed this one last week:

D.C. Intel Exec Nabbed in Feds’ Narco Money-Laundering Sting

Michael Bagley and his Washington DC private intelligence company are in deep shit.

Legitimate business with a side piece:

 

"...According to the FBI, Bagley allegedly tried to sign up an altogether shadier clientele and collect a 10 percent commission by laundering a quarter-million dollars worth of drug money. Court documents don’t reveal how Bagley first came to the feds’  attention, but they say he fell for their sting operation.

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Rather than set up a single $20 million transfer, the government’s informants strung Bagley along and claimed that they would rather start with smaller amounts to launder and later increase it. At a meeting in Tysons Corner, Virginia in February, Bagley allegedly proposed using a GoFundMe account to launder money via a practice known as “smurfing” that involves routing money through a series of smaller and seemingly innocuous transfers."

---> Dude can handle single $20M transfers.  Let that sink in.

 

"...Prosecutors allege that Bagley may have also had a working relationship with a real cartel boss, in addition to the fictitious ones used in the sting. In a detention memo, prosecutors wrote that he  allegedly told the government’s informants, "I wanna let you know that I'm also moving for [Ismael "El Mayo" Zambada] in Mexico City as well, with his number one guy."

Zambada, or “El Mayo” as he’s known, is said to have taken over the Sinaloa cartel after Mexican authorities arrested his infamous predecessor, Joaquin “El Chapo” Guzman, and extradited him to New York for trial.  

FBI agents say that when they interviewed Bagley during the search of his home, he claimed he had lied about his connections to the Sinaloa cartel. Bagley said his actions in the sting were  the only time he has ever done something like this” and that he “was not involved in any other large-scale criminal conspiracies,” according to one FBI account of the interview. 

In addition, court documents allege that Bagley "claimed to have a network for 'mirroring'”—a money laundering tactic which involves "transferring money between parties outside of the banking system"—based in Mexico City."

 

Any guesses as to who is three cells down from "El Chapo" right now in NY ? 

Jef___ Eps___.

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4 hours ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

If you believe the stories there is indeed a well orchestrated, worldwide network of pedophiles using the internet to help facilitate their sick game

Yeah, but Trump said it would be a terrible mistake if we abandoned the Saudis.  

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1 hour ago, The People’s Elbow said:

If this pulls in Trump, how long before the right starts pretending the word “tween” always meant “that age between 18-20.”

Also, will they keep a straight-face when saying shit like, “Yeah, he was 60 and she was barely 16, but it wasn’t illegal. brb. Going to church.” 

Something has Trump spooked, more than anything else has possibly spooked him up until now.  Pulling the racism card out so openly, and then doubling down on it......I would say Mueller testifying, but that got pushed back.  Possibly he saw some bad polling numbers, but his racist rants are also borderline misogynistic, which could hurt him in the polls.

The timing of his first “GO BACK TO YOUR OWN COUNTRY” tweet, combined with dozens of retweets and tweets in two hours (over three dozen I believe), and then followed up today.....it’s a helluva distraction for his base.   

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1 minute ago, atomheartbevo said:

Something has Trump spooked, more than anything else has possibly spooked him up until now.  Pulling the racism card out so openly, and then doubling down on it......I would say Mueller testifying, but that got pushed back.  Possibly he saw some bad polling numbers, but his racist rants are also borderline misogynistic, which could hurt him in the polls.

The timing of his first “GO BACK TO YOUR OWN COUNTRY” tweet, combined with dozens of retweets and tweets in two hours (over three dozen I believe), and then followed up today.....it’s a helluva distraction for his base.   

Distraction is 9/10ths of the game with him, but I think this one is more direct. They were able to report on the conditions in the kiddie camps. He needs them to not be believed so he attacks them.

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2 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

He couldn’t pull it off without serious mob protection and muscle. 

No need for the mob.  You don’t need physical protection or intimidation as long as you have somebody who can drop the tapes if shit goes wrong.   You wouldn’t want the mob to have those tapes either, because then you lose full control of the situation, and you’ve given the mob control over your doings.  

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1 minute ago, atomheartbevo said:

Something has Trump spooked, more than anything else has possibly spooked him up until now.  Pulling the racism card out so openly, and then doubling down on it......I would say Mueller testifying, but that got pushed back.  Possibly he saw some bad polling numbers, but his racist rants are also borderline misogynistic, which could hurt him in the polls.

The timing of his first “GO BACK TO YOUR OWN COUNTRY” tweet, combined with dozens of retweets and tweets in two hours (over three dozen I believe), and then followed up today.....it’s a helluva distraction for his base.   

Early today, I about to post that it seems like something is really bubbling up under the surface because Trump is in meltdown mode.  

But it always feels that way so who knows...

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No need for the mob.  You don’t need physical protection or intimidation as long as you have somebody who can drop the tapes if shit goes wrong.   You wouldn’t want the mob to have those tapes either, because then you lose full control of the situation, and you’ve given the mob control over your doings.  

There is only a non-zero chance Epstein wasn’t an arm of organized crime and compromised himself.   

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3 hours ago, Aqua Buddha said:

WSJ had a good article about that over the weekend.  At one point, Epstein was also telling him what to do with the L Brand portfolio.  Whatever the reason, Wexner was into Epstein pretty deep.

Either way, Epstein had been doing his thing with impunity for decades.  He never thought he'd get caught.

Given how easy he got off the last time, and that nobody else went down with him, I’d say he planned on getting caught and was prepared.   I find it interesting that he kept Dershowitz close by, and ol’ Dersh was buddies with Trump.

Although he may have thought he’d have more of a head ups this time.

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Epstein has a crack team of attorneys.

Last week when asked by the judge if Epstein committed statutory rape, the attorney said something like, "Yea, I guess you could call it that." And then has to ask to clarify.

Today it's essentially, "Well sure, he's a rapist, but he's not a particularly bad rapist. He's not out of control or anything. He's a very controlled and rather amiable rapist. If your daughter had to be raped, this is the guy you'd go with."

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5 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Early today, I about to post that it seems like something is really bubbling up under the surface because Trump is in meltdown mode.  

But it always feels that way so who knows...

The full-blown racism card being thrown on the table, against three American-born women, is bolder than you normally get out of Trump.  Doubling down today was even bolder.  

He didn’t  out when they came back from the border, so I think it’s something else.,

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