2020 Democratic Debates Watch Thread

[bad_teammate 13522]

2 minutes ago, Fozzz said:

I didn’t know she had a sister. She hot?

probably

Tulsi's husband can get it

[Js1 87181]

Oh yeah.

[bad_teammate 13522]

Just now, Hugo Stiglitz said:

This is humorous coming from you.  You know how it works.  You build a movement to force change by strong uncompromising leadership.

Nope, that's not how it works. Mass popular movements are bottom -> up, not top -> down. This was the Obama strategy, not the Bernie strategy. Obama was the one who was going to inspire a popular movement with the force of his personality and leadership and, well, it didn't work (because it can't work).

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That’s what she is in the process of doing right now.  It’s a similar strategy to meaningful political change as Bernie.

What, specifically, is she doing? Does she have a grassroots organization that exists independent from her campaign pushing candidates and progressive agendas? Where is her army?

I hope she can build it, but I don't see it.

[HenryJames 67345]

13 minutes ago, Fozzz said:

From watching a few clips on Twitter I can say objectively, wholly irrespective of my subjective feelings towards the candidates,  that Tulsi was the clear winner and Liz was the clear loser. Also, Beta can’t speak Spanish for shit. 

 

[EMAWesome 101]

10 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

Not even close.  He defines "empty suit".  Warren is the clear winner.  It's too bad she's a grandma nerd.

Ha, ha, the clear winner tonight is Trump.  The more of these that get shown on TV the more people can see what a shitshow the entire Democrat Party has become.  Here is the entire Democrat Party platform for 2020.

 

1.  Envy

2.  Jealousy

 

If Trump can't beat these idiots in an election he deserves to lose.  All of these candidates combined do not have enough critical thinking ability to fill a thimble.

[Pig Bellmont 8885]

Gabbard is a joke candidate pushed by Republicans and Russian trolls

[Mojo Hand 4580]

1 minute ago, HenryJames said:

 

I'd support her primarying Trump.  Delaney, too. 

[RomaVicta 30579]

9 hours ago, Incredulity said:

Thats not how it works dipshit.

She verbally eviserates him, he calls her Pocahontas.  She gets bright red, makes a more detailed argument.  He sputters a few sentence fragments punctuated with socialism and Pocahontas.

 

 

You're nuts if you don't think she'll be ready for that.

So, Mr. Trump, you want to talk about honesty? Lying? 

Reagan walked into the "There he goes again." trap with Mondale. Mondale and his team knew Reagan would roll that out again, and Mondale had his best (only good?) moment in the campaign during that debate. For a few seconds, it looked like it might be a race.

 

[EMAWesome 101]

10 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

 

Takes issues seriously?  They wouldn't even answer the damn question that was asked to them.

[bad_teammate 13522]

wh.... who is going to tell Roma how that election went... ?

 

 

[EMAWesome 101]

10 hours ago, Jive Turkey said:

Castro is cleaning up on Twitter.  And yes, that matters. 

 

If the candidates consider any of these people to be political consultants or experts in how to run a campaign I could beat any of them for any office.

[EMAWesome 101]

9 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

Let's be honest, there is no woman in this race as unlikable as Hillary Clinton.

There is no woman in the human race as unlikable as Hillary Clinton.

[Fozzz 152]

8 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

 

There are a number of anti-war right wingers. I don’t know why shitlibs like yourself find that so distasteful. 

[Mojo Hand 4580]

Lulz, so many ignored posts on the last couple of pages from one triggered Trumper and nobody is responding.   How sad, he is so upset!

[EMAWesome 101]

9 hours ago, elguapo said:

And you are basing this on what exactly?

Warren is really fucking smart, and Trump is not at all. She'd destroy him, unfortunately much of our country is too dumb to recognize Trump being destroyed in a debate when it happens.

If she is so fucking smart why did she allow herself to do that stupid DNA test that is going to haunt her her entire campaign especially if she wins the Democrat nomination?

[Bateshorn 9991]

Goddamn Chuck Todd sucks.  He's just the worst.  An over eager student government nerd who annoys the shit out of everybody around them.  And I say that coming from a town literally full of those people.

[bad_teammate 13522]

War is OK if your brow is properly furrowed and you let trans people play with the XBOX controller to murder some people outside a hospital.

[6th Street 6689]

9 minutes ago, Fozzz said:

I don’t know why shitlibs like yourself find that so distasteful. 

Take that garbage to the Texags board

Edited June 27, 2019 by 6th Street

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[happyfunball 481]

[Js1 87181]

Beto should have jumped up on his lectern. 

[RomaVicta 30579]

1 hour ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Let’s review what actually happened.

She directly answered the question.  Simple and short. 

And then she went on to ADD how she plans to handle MCConnell. 

Which ironically is Bernie Sanders approach to getting shit done.

Movement pressure from the outside among the people combined with internal pressure from the top.  She said the fight doesn’t end after the election, it keeps going. 

 

Thanks for posting that. I didn't watch the "debate," but if that was her low point, she must have been stellar. I thought the answer was great. She remains my candidate.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

22 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

I hope she can build it, but I don't see it.

Of course you don’t see it.  You’re team Bernie through and through.  Regardless of how much Warren goes up in the polls and Bernie falls, you will never abandon the Bernie dream.   

Bernie can’t unify the Democratic Party, even if he wins the nomination, there’s just too much bad blood there from 2016 and it’s plainly visible.   It would be a different story if he won in 2016, but the opportunity has passed.  

Reasonable people are going to see this more as he lashes out against other candidates.  This is a reality you refuse to accept.  However, I do admire your passion fighting to the death for the candidate you most believe in.  I will never knock you for that. 

[RomaVicta 30579]

30 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

wh.... who is going to tell Roma how that election went... ?

 

 

Next time, read the post more closely. I lost control of my conjunctions, but the point stands.

[EMAWesome 101]

18 minutes ago, Mojo Hand said:

Lulz, so many ignored posts on the last couple of pages from one triggered Trumper and nobody is responding.   How sad, he is so upset!

The only thing I am upset about is that these are only two hours long.  They should go on like a Jerry Lewis Labor Day Telethon.  Not only is it much better entertainment than MSNBC's regular programming it gives them more shovels to keep digging that hole with.  Seventy percent of Americans like the economy and they spent the whole night acting like we are in the middle of The Great Depression.  Jack Torrance thinks these candidates are out of touch with reality.

[BradInATX 9208]

6 minutes ago, EMAWesome said:

The only thing I am upset about is that these are only two hours long.  They should go on like a Jerry Lewis Labor Day Telethon.  Not only is it much better entertainment than MSNBC's regular programming it gives them more shovels to keep digging that hole with.  Seventy percent of Americans like the economy and they spent the whole night acting like we are in the middle of The Great Depression.  Jack Torrance thinks these candidates are out of touch with reality.

Regardless of how long the debates are, they'll never be on a level playing field with the future opponent, who fully takes advantage of the fact that he has 24 hours 7 days a week to continue to dig himself into a hole of stupidity and ignorance.

Edited June 27, 2019 by BradInATX

[Js1 87181]

Only a slim majority of Americans think the economy is excellent or good (51%).  More fake news from the fake news spreader. 

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

1 hour ago, Pig Bellmont said:

Please let me hear from more republican trolls. Your concerns about Dem candidates after the first of 100 debates is really valuable 

You better hope Republicans are paying attention to these debates because you're gonna need some Republicans to beat Trump.

Edited June 27, 2019 by Onboard 2.0

[bolverk 30323]

My totally unscientific and biased preferences after last night's debate (in order - but subject to change):

1. Warren
2. Castro
3. Booker
4. Inslee
5. Klobuchar
6. O'Rourke
7. de Blasio
8. Delaney
9. Gabbard
10. Ryan

Right now, the process of elimination is the name of the game for me so that we can narrow it down to a manageable list. Castro and Booker both moved way up on my list, and I'm only keeping O'Rourke in the hunt right now because I'm biased toward keeping Texans on my list.

My current ranking for participants from tonight's debate:

1. Harris
2. Buttgieg
3. Sanders
4. Biden
5. Hickenlooper
6. Gillibrand
7. Bennet
8. Swalwell
9. Yang
10. Williamson

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

12 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Only a slim majority of Americans think the economy is excellent or good (51%).  More fake news from the fake news spreader. 

The main reason Americans think the economy is good is because they are constantly told it is good by corporate America and the Trump regime.   It’s a piss poor question and doesn’t accurately capture the public’s assessment on the economy. 

The question should be, “Do you think the economy is working to improve the quality of life of most Americans?”

I’d love to see the response breakdown on that question. 

Edited June 27, 2019 by Hugo Stiglitz

[Jive Turkey 12997]

11 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Chuck Todd is going to go full Hannity on Bernie tomorrow.  

Chuck Todd got more words in tonight than seven of the candidates.

He is that awful 

here's the breakdown:

[David Dennison 19537]

1 hour ago, EMAWesome said:

The only thing I am upset about is that these are only two hours long.  They should go on like a Jerry Lewis Labor Day Telethon.  Not only is it much better entertainment than MSNBC's regular programming it gives them more shovels to keep digging that hole with.  Seventy percent of Americans like the economy and they spent the whole night acting like we are in the middle of The Great Depression.  Jack Torrance thinks these candidates are out of touch with reality.

You did the same thing in 2016. Nothing has changed in the economy.

This is all politics.

[pyrohornIII 4846]

37 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

The main reason Americans think the economy is good is because they are constantly told it is good by corporate America and the Trump regime.   It’s a piss poor question and doesn’t accurately capture the public’s assessment on the economy. 

The question should be, “Do you think the economy is working to improve the quality of life of most Americans?”

I’d love to see the response breakdown on that question. 

I think Warren did a good job of re-defining the question and answering it along the same parameters you put forth.   Maybe some pollsters will pick up on that.

[suddenly shaggy 929]

11 hours ago, Incredulity said:

Thats not how it works dipshit.

She verbally eviserates him, he calls her Pocahontas.  She gets bright red, makes a more detailed argument.  He sputters a few sentence fragments punctuated with socialism and Pocahontas.

 

 

Not a single Democrat, especially Elizabeth Warren, will be embarrassed when Trump continues to be too stupid to even pull of the Fauxcahontas insult correctly. 

Edited June 27, 2019 by suddenly shaggy

[bad_teammate 13522]

1 hour ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Regardless of how much Warren goes up in the polls ...

1) Bernie is beating Warren in the polls and has been forever (You can take Bernie's lowest point and Warren's highest and Bernie is STILL ahead of her)
2) If current poll numbers are an indicator of grassroots, mass movement momentum, then Joe Biden is the king of revolutionaries

It would be cool if your feelings were eternally hurt, because there actually very good conversations to be had about how to best utilize the players we have to get the things done we need to get done. Some players are the ones who bring the ball up the court. Some players are the ones who set the pick. Some players take the outside shots.

Warren and Sanders are the two best players on the Democratic team.

Sanders has the mass movement behind him, the young people, and he's the ideological leader of the party.
Warren has credibility with people who hate Bernie, a true heart for working people, and an absolutely vital tenacity to figure out solutions to real problems.

These are two absolutely vital figures if we care about actual, real progressive change.

You don't see that, unfortunately, because you fucking suck.

[suddenly shaggy 929]

He's not going to fuck you bt, no matter how much you flirt with him. Go jerk off and get it out of your system.

[bad_teammate 13522]

I'm just trying to learn and he keeps saying he wants to make out with me!

[Pig Bellmont 8885]

1 hour ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

You better hope Republicans are paying attention to these debates because you're gonna need some Republicans to beat Trump.

1) I don’t care for GOP opinions during a dem primary 

2) If you need convincing to vote for someone against Trump, please go fuck yourself. Try not to step over any dead asylum seekers on your way out the fucking door. 

[Incredulity 11876]

36 minutes ago, suddenly shaggy said:

Not a single Democrat, especially Elizabeth Warren, will be embarrassed when Trump continues to be too stupid to even pull of the Fauxcahontas insult correctly. 

"bright red" wasn't about her being embarrassed, it's about her speaking style.  When she doubles down she totally intensifies her delivery.  Trump will be eyerolling, guffawing, WRONGing the whole time.  I personally think it's ridiculous, the electorate eats it up.

[suddenly shaggy 929]

2 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

"bright red" wasn't about her being embarrassed, it's about her speaking style.  When she doubles down she totally intensifies her delivery.  Trump will be eyerolling, guffawing, WRONGing the whole time.  I personally think it's ridiculous, the electorate eats it up.

Then you are the first person in history to refer to a speaking style as "bright red".

[David Dennison 19537]

13 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

"bright red" wasn't about her being embarrassed, it's about her speaking style.  When she doubles down she totally intensifies her delivery.  Trump will be eyerolling, guffawing, WRONGing the whole time.  I personally think it's ridiculous, the electorate eats it up.

No, they don't. His base does. That's his biggest problem.

[Js1 87181]

1 hour ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

You better hope Republicans are paying attention to these debates because you're gonna need some Republicans to beat Trump.

Okay Meghan McCain.

It's not the Democrats' goal to make Republicans vote for them to win a Democratic primary.  In fact, appealing to Republicans to win the Democratic primary is a sure-fire losing strategy. 

[hayden_horn 11402]

14 minutes ago, Pig Bellmont said:

1) I don’t care for GOP opinions during a dem primary 

2) If you need convincing to vote for someone against Trump, please go fuck yourself. Try not to step over any dead asylum seekers on your way out the fucking door. 

also, the contention that this country needs Rs to vote dem in the general is false, out of the gate. 

so many have stopped identifying as republicans since trump's election. maybe we need "former 'pubs" but not current onboard type republicans who are going to vote trump in the privacy of the booth, no matter what they post on this forum. the intent is obvious from the constant defense of trump policies and the #bothsides. 

it's a fucking joke.

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

Just now, hayden_horn said:

also, the contention that this country needs Rs to vote dem in the general is false, out of the gate. 

so many have stopped identifying as republicans since trump's election. maybe we need "former 'pubs" but not current onboard type republicans who are going to vote trump in the privacy of the booth, no matter what they post on this forum. the intent is obvious from the constant defense of trump policies and the #bothsides. 

it's a fucking joke.

How am I an "Onboard type republican" ?  That you make the comment that you don't need republicans to win is a huge part of the problem we have today. Us vs. them.   We're electing the president of the United States, not of the party.

[Dirk X West 772]

9 minutes ago, suddenly shaggy said:

Then you are the first person in history to refer to a speaking style as "bright red".

I like it.  He's clearly a synesthetic.  And also quite stupid.

[B00M 6734]

1 hour ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

The main reason Americans think the economy is good is because they are constantly told it is good by corporate America and the Trump regime.  

You don't think it has anything to do with the way the stock market surged during trump's 1st 2 years or the still steadily falling unemployment rate? Especially when contrasted with the obama years, how can any objective person argue today's economy is bad? Yes there's a serious wealth gap that's steadily getting worse and yes it might all crash down tomorrow but how far back do you need to go to find a better US economy?

[GSU&UT 1799]

Probably pissed a lot of people off, but I was really happy to hear this morning that Warren seems to be shifting towards the idea that UHC is not sustainable with private insurance existing. I don't think she'd try to push as hard on this if she were elected, in comparison to Bernie, but she is at least pissing off a lot of these centrist lobbying groups that were throwing their support behind her.

[Js1 87181]

So....

All the things it did during the Obama years? 

[David Dennison 19537]

Just now, B00M said:

You don't think it has anything to do with the way the stock market surged during trump's 1st 2 years or the still steadily falling unemployment rate? Especially when contrasted with the obama years, how can any objective person argue today's economy is bad? Yes there's a serious wealth gap that's steadily getting worse and yes it might all crash down tomorrow but how far back do you need to go to find a better US economy?

The stockmarket pace and unemployment pace have both slowed during Trump's first two years compared to Obama. 

[hayden_horn 11402]

1 minute ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

How am I an "Onboard type republican" ?  That you make the comment that you don't need republicans to win is a huge part of the problem we have today. Us vs. them.   We're electing the president of the United States, not of the party.

that's rich coming from one of the consistently partisan members of this board.

republicans have cast their lot. they aren't voting dem.

this is your party:

and it's why more people are leaving the party than are joining it right now, and it's why nobody on the democratic side is going to try and woo republican voters. that's just simple madness. congress broke hard left in 2018. democrats would do best to try and continue that momentum rather than meander to the middle and try to bridge the partisan aisle, because republicans ain't playing that game. mcconnell and trump have made this the zero-sum game that it has become. they should've been more careful about what it is the were wishing. because shit is going to get real.

and that's coming from me, a guy who has tried to urge moderation over partisan extremism. but the republicans drove the car off the goddamned cliff, and here we are.