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[ChuckNorrisActionJeans 2682]

^^^ nope. 

What are the chances we'll ever find out who leaked it, do y'all think?

[David Dennison 18948]

1 minute ago, jimmyjazz said:

Not to imply that the rest of your list wasn't full of horseshit, but I literally laughed out loud at this one.

*literally

Anyone on the right claiming that the Republican Party supports religious freedom, free markets, and less government regulation should not be taken seriously.

[Fudge Nuggets 19227]

1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

Anyone on the right claiming that the Republican Party supports religious freedom, free markets, and less government regulation should not be taken seriously.

They aren’t. 

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11669]

3 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Question for the law dawgs: So clearly this document wasn’t classified. I don’t think the judicial branch has classification authority and in any case it’s not remotely national security related. 
 

So leaking is an ethical breach but was any law broken here? 

well, the opinion that was leaked was an abortion, so yeah, laws in several states laws were broken.

[South Austin 52620]

6 minutes ago, ChuckNorrisActionJeans said:

What are the chances we'll ever find out who leaked it, do y'all think?

I mean, we eventually found out the identify of Deep Throat (it wasn't my mom).  So this is bound to come out, probably at a time when the leaker is comfortable with the fact that it won't hurt his or her career and/or he or she can financially benefit from telling the story.

[washparkhorn 9939]

I am not sure Alito is correct in his assumption that abortion was not a traditionally accepted custom. The Bible in Numbers speaks about “bitters” to test unfaithful wives. Moreover, abortion was regularly practiced throughout history. 
 

Here is a good read on the subject - and a resource for those of you who intend to aid in the protection of the right to privacy. 
 

Quote

As women’s rights to make reproductive choices come under assault, historian John M. Riddle argues that abortion has been far more essential to human history than you might imagine.

Throughout the ages, abortion has been a crucial feature of women’s lives. So argues John M. Riddle, a distinguished specialist in the history of medicine, who has spent a long career uncovering information nearly lost in the mists of time. His work shows that people going all the way back to ancient Egypt relied on a variety of herbal abortifacients (abortion-inducing substances) and contraceptives to control fertility and continued doing so well into the Middle Ages. What’s more, he argues that contrary to what many historians and demographers have maintained, these ancient drugs actually worked.

In “Eve’s Herbs: A History of Contraception and Abortion in the West,” Riddle posits that while we may think of ancient and medieval people as superstitious and prone to rely on useless remedies, when it came to abortion, many knew what they were doing.

The historian illustrates how their methods, most commonly drugs taken orally, were developed through careful observation of nature (noticing, for example, which plants caused livestock to bear fewer offspring), experimentation, and the accumulation of botanical knowledge passed down by word-of-mouth, and also occasionally in written form, including a text by a thirteenth-century physician, Peter of Spain, who later became Pope John XXI!

These botanical substances blocked or stimulated hormones, caused contractions, or otherwise acted on the body to prevent or end pregnancies, thus enabling women and their families to make reproductive choices in their best interest. Riddle points out that it wasn’t just elites who knew the secrets of which herbs to use and how—common people knew and purposefully regulated family size for a variety of reasons, including the desire to space out children, economic pressures, and the health of the mother.

https://www.ineteconomics.org/perspectives/blog/abortion-drugs-fundamental-to-ancient-economies-argues-historian
 

[Pig Bellmont 8739]

2 hours ago, wildcat09 said:

I'm increasingly certain it was Alito. Whoever leaked it wanted to preserve the opinion in its current form. Who would want to do that more than him? Not just because he wrote it but for how useful it will be in overturning rest of the privacy cases in the future. Sure he included one sentence saying "we totally don't have any intent to overturn this laundry list of cases we hate" so that the Johnnys Sack of the world can troll us by pretending he's not lying, but it seems pretty clear that at least one justice in the majority is a little uncomfortable with something about the opinion and I bet that's it. Why even mention Lawrence and Obergefell, two cases decided after Casey, if you're not trying to assault their validity? 

Also, the leak could intimidate a justice who may have indicated he wanted to change his vote after the conference. If the justice changes their vote now, and Roberts writes the opinion preserving Roe, every pro life nut job will know exactly who flip flopped. These people shot an abortion provider at church- you can’t tell me the leak isn’t a threat. 

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13587]

7 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

This is hilarious.

You forgot to bold ACA mandates, as the individual mandate, like Cap And Trade, is a GOP idea borne of the Heritage Foundation under the banner of personal responsibility, included in both the GOP counterproposal to the Clinton Universal Healthcare Initiative and Romneycare, that the GOP supported until they were against it. 

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2010/apr/01/barack-obama/obama-says-heritage-foundation-source-health-excha/

[SimonBolivar 10960]

8 minutes ago, washparkhorn said:

I am not sure Alito is correct in his assumption that abortion was not a traditionally accepted custom. The Bible in Numbers speaks about “bitters” to test unfaithful wives. Moreover, abortion was regularly practiced throughout history. 
 

Here is a good read on the subject - and a resource for those of you who intend to aid in the protection of the right to privacy. 
 

https://www.ineteconomics.org/perspectives/blog/abortion-drugs-fundamental-to-ancient-economies-argues-historian
 

Yeah but he referenced where the Kingdom of Hawai'i made it illegal in the 1850s. Checkmate libtard.

[achooloco 1086]

19 hours ago, Johnny Sack said:

Transition of power is a left or right position?  Trump lost and was a dumbass.  But nothing was ever going to happen.

What about gay marriage?  Trump was the first president in history to run for a first term in support of gay marriage.

Trade protectionism has traditionally been a position of the left.  So I would say the GOP has moved left on the issue.

Immigration? I guess moved right due to the Lucy with the football.

Drugs?  Moved left.

Sentencing reform?  Moved left.

Spending?  Moved way left.

Gays in the military.  Moved left.

Anti-discrimination laws.  Moved left.

In my view, the GOP and those who identify as Republicans have moved to the left on most social issues and fiscal issues.

 

 

 

19 hours ago, Johnny Sack said:

Nope.  It just is not true.

Catching up but for now this is just straight lying and accordingly negged.

[Sawbonz 27593]

42 minutes ago, TXSooner518 said:

Unless of course my private business wishes to require masks or vaccines, right? Or sell booze on Sundays. Or perform abortions. Or have a poker room. 

Well you see those are different 

[Johnny Sack 8397]

17 minutes ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

You forgot to bold ACA mandates, as the individual mandate, like Cap And Trade, is a GOP idea borne of the Heritage Foundation under the banner of personal responsibility, included in both the GOP counterproposal to the Clinton Universal Healthcare Initiative and Romneycare, that the GOP supported until they were against it. 

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2010/apr/01/barack-obama/obama-says-heritage-foundation-source-health-excha/

When did the GOP ever introduce legislation for the individual mandate?  I do not believe they ever did. I remember it as an alternative to universal healthcare.  Also pretty sure it was more of having a high deductible plan to cover catastrophic care.  I do not remember it ever having much support in the GOP, but was suggested as a lesser of two evils.

If we did have the HF individual mandate as opposed to ACA's mandates of comprehensive coverage, we would be much better off.  

Edited May 4, 2022 by Johnny Sack

[RomaVicta 30024]

1 hour ago, Johnny Sack said:

 

So, if a majority of Americans are polled and the result is that most of them (a clear majority) prefer Biden to Trump, shouldn't we just accept that? I mean, if we want to use polls to sort out who has a right to what, surely we can use them for something as simple as choosing a candidate.

Also, can you break down the information into Electoral Votes? After all, the will of the people must always come second to the archaic Electoral College's choice.

[wildcat09 29409]

Rasmussen just called 100 Republican political operatives for that shit.

[hpslugga 4062]

46 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

They aren’t. 

Exactly. The only people who take that bullshit seriously those who peddle it.

[Longhorn_Fan68 33900]

lol, glad I have sack on ignore. fucking Rasmussen. jesus, people still share his polls?

[Horn Dog 9936]

1 hour ago, Neonmoon said:

If a fetus is a person. Does that mean it has the same rights as a person? Could it file a lawsuit? Own property?

So if your wife/girlfriend has a miscarriage  this year, you should be able to claim that fetus as a dependent for 2022 taxes right?

Also, should citizenship now occur upon conception?   Or are all these fetuses just nationless individuals without any nationality?

[Goofyboy 3297]

Other than lock downs, vaccine mandates, the second amendment, free markets, lower taxes, less regulations on your private business, religious freedoms, forced baking cakes, ACA mandates, right to work without being forced to participate in or fund a union, school choice, etc.

Lower taxes?? Maybe for the top 1%. Fuck the rest of us… our taxes went back up. Also, the Rick Scott GOP plan raises taxes on the middle class and cuts social security….

[Johnny Sack 8397]

3 minutes ago, Goofyboy said:

Lower taxes?? Maybe for the top 1%. Fuck the rest of us… our taxes went back up. Also, the Rick Scott GOP plan raises taxes on the middle class and cuts social security….

Net of government transfers, the middle class pays a negative tax rate.

[bonnieblue 542]

So when Obergefell falls (and assuming generic Texas law specifying MF marriage only), what does happen with existing marriages and parental rights etc?

[TexArcher 38075]

4 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

Net of government transfers, the middle class pays a negative tax rate.

Source?

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13587]

13 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

When did the GOP ever introduce legislation for the individual mandate? 

The individual mandate is part of Romneycare, but the key part of the quoted is "introduce legislation".

They used to bother with the charade of offering a counterproposal once Democrats took action on healthcare reform in a bad faith effort to stop any reform. Then, as we saw during W's administration when the GOP controls the executive and both chambers of Congress, they propose nothing. Years later when the Dems control all 3 and are back trying to get something passed in terms of HR reform, acquiescing on almost every aspect in gullible good faith, including removing the public option, the GOP lockstep opposes it and screeches "tyranny".  By the time everything flipped back to GOP controlling the executive and both chambers, they stopped even pretending they had a genuine alternative plan for HR, simply to focus all legislative efforts on repealing Obamacare, and even failing at that. Last reported rumors of a sighting was it was lined up behind Infrastructure Week.

[Satchel 6949]

Should someone be forced to give blood in order to save the life of a child? Right now, organs of deceased people can only be removed by their permission granted before death. Why do corpses have more bodily autonomy than pregnant women?

[hpslugga 4062]

21 minutes ago, Satchel said:

Should someone be forced to give blood in order to save the life of a child? Right now, organs of deceased people can only be removed by their permission granted before death. Why do corpses have more bodily autonomy than pregnant women?

I mean you could ask a whole battery of questions like that...and that's really the point, isn't it? There isn't a single argument the so-called "pro-life" crowd has offered that can survive the bullshit test.

[Satchel 6949]

15 minutes ago, hpslugga said:

I mean you could ask a whole battery of questions like that...and that's really the point, isn't it? There isn't a single argument the so-called "pro-life" crowd has offered that can survive the bullshit test.

Reasonable people should never give up on reason as an antidote to ignorance infused with raw emotion.

[tx 3 putt 77458]

If the majority of Texans voted, Abbott wouldn’t be a career politician 

in another life, having worked on Texas R campaigns, they wanted small turn outs. 

Edited May 4, 2022 by tx 3 putt

[Johnny Sack 8397]

57 minutes ago, TexArcher said:

Source?

[SydneyCarton 48194]

3 hours ago, Lucid said:

A big news story right now is some big corporations that have announced they will subsidize travel for their employees to go get their little problem taken care of in another state. We won't give you paid leave, and we definitely won't pay you enough to have a family on a single income, but if you want to go to see this nice man in the clinic across the state line just send us the bill 😉 This world is fucked.

Let me let you in on a little secret, bud. That is about talent acquisition at a highest level. Women are receiving college degrees at a 33% higher clip these days than men, and you can damn well be sure that a huge chunk of them are either going to go to work in states where they feel safe, or at the least work for companies that they believe will make them feel safe. You want to be able to attract the best talent out of college? You're going to cast the widest net. And right now, that net is young women. 

Or you could be Oklahoma but refuse to recruit Texas our outside your shitty footprint. Good luck with that. 

[Sawbonz 27593]

1 hour ago, Johnny Sack said:

Net of government transfers, the middle class pays a negative tax rate.

 

5 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

Did you pass a single math class past pre algebra?

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11669]

2 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Let me let you in on a little secret, bud. That is about talent acquisition at a highest level. Women are receiving college degrees at a 33% higher clip these days than men, and you can damn well be sure that a huge chunk of them are either going to go to work in states where they feel safe, or at the least work for companies that they believe will make them feel safe. You want to be able to attract the best talent out of college? You're going to cast the widest net. And right now, that net is young women. 

Or you could be Oklahoma but refuse to recruit Texas our outside your shitty footprint. Good luck with that. 

No shit.  This is the first thing I thought of this morning.  Every big firm is clamoring for female attorneys.  -- And the profile of a top ranked female attorney? -- You better have offices in California to offset your recruitment failures in Dallas or you are going to start looking real bad in those national surveys.

[TwiceHorn 31539]

5 hours ago, South Austin said:

Bob Hamilton is one of the worst teachers I've ever had on any level going back to kindergarten.  Granted, he was getting old at the time I took his Business Associations class (Spring 1997) and he seemed like he was mailing it in.

My experience, fewer than 10 years earlier, was quite the opposite.  He was the best socratic teacher at UT.  However, I had him for Contracts.  But most of our section loved him and those that were business-oriented took everything he taught.

[speed817 19478]

4 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Let me let you in on a little secret, bud. That is about talent acquisition at a highest level. Women are receiving college degrees at a 33% higher clip these days than men, and you can damn well be sure that a huge chunk of them are either going to go to work in states where they feel safe, or at the least work for companies that they believe will make them feel safe. You want to be able to attract the best talent out of college? You're going to cast the widest net. And right now, that net is young women. 

Or you could be Oklahoma but refuse to recruit Texas our outside your shitty footprint. Good luck with that. 

Makes a ton of sense now.  I've noticed since 2018 (when I started at Raytheon) lots of young female engineers I've worked with have transferred to Colorado and several nurses I know too.  Now I get it...

[F250 28823]

3 hours ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

The way Dems reacted with outrage and attacking from multiple angles makes it seem their reactions were off the cuff / spur of the moment.  The way the right went straight to blaming the leaker in lockstep fashion makes it seem they had a bit of forewarning.

There definitely appeared to be coordinated talking points on the Right the moment the news broke. It was even directly pointed at Sotomayor. Usually there is a delay before they start their messaging.

 

[SydneyCarton 48194]

3 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

No shit.  This is the first thing I thought of this morning.  Every big firm is clamoring for female attorneys.  -- And the profile of a top ranked female attorney? -- You better have offices in California to offset your recruitment failures in Dallas or you are going to start looking real bad in those national surveys.

 

1 minute ago, speed817 said:

Makes a ton of sense now.  I've noticed since 2018 (when I started at Raytheon) lots of young female engineers I've worked with have transferred to Colorado and several nurses I know too.  Now I get it...

Pay attention. The next step will be the DeSantis/Abbots of the world encouraging citizens to sue these companies to get those bounties. I'm not an attorney, can you round up a bunch of citizens and class action the bounty rule in Texas against the deep pockets of an Apple or Amazon? That location data someone shared early would be an easy way to handle that shit. But now you can aim it at a "liberal" company just trying to do their every day capitalist business. What was someone saying about business freedoms with less restrictions as a hallmark of the Republican Party? Disney is certainly getting an education on that front. 

[Nivek 16987]

Reasonable people should never give up on reason as an antidote to ignorance infused with raw emotion.

He is saying it is a fool’s errand to give it more thought than it deserves.

[Satchel 6949]

1 minute ago, Nivek said:

He is saying it is a fool’s errand to give it more thought than it deserves.

I get it, but being above it all is why reasonable people are struggling to defend democracy.

[jimmyjazz 46184]

25 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Let me let you in on a little secret, bud. That is about talent acquisition at a highest level. Women are receiving college degrees at a 33% higher clip these days than men, and you can damn well be sure that a huge chunk of them are either going to go to work in states where they feel safe, or at the least work for companies that they believe will make them feel safe. You want to be able to attract the best talent out of college? You're going to cast the widest net. And right now, that net is young women. 

Or you could be Oklahoma but refuse to recruit Texas our outside your shitty footprint. Good luck with that. 

That's a great post.  Pos'ed.

[F250 28823]

3 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

It's not disingenuous, it's a lie.  They say "states rights" on the one hand while openly supporting actions that deny states the right to have control over acts that happen within their own borders.  It's a lie to support authoritarianism and denial of rights to the lesser/weaker/vulnerable.  Always has been.  There are no new lies, just the same old one.

States Rights were quashed when they clashed with a Trump led federal government. Local control was quashed when it clashed with Republican state government. The only consistency is subjugation whenever they are in charge.

This has been blatantly obvious for the past 6 years. Desantis using the power of the state to attack Disney for their attempt to protect their brand which is a business decision. Trump frequently attacked companies with threats from federal intervention. Of course this was justified as government action against companies that had some agreement with the government. However a politician using that leverage for political gain is no different than state capitalism. It's always selective with these guys, do what we say or face the power of the state.

Don't even get me started on the paradoxical nature of a pro-liberty social conservative.

 

[South Austin 52620]

31 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

You want to be able to attract the best talent out of college? You're going to cast the widest net. And right now, that net is young women.

Please tell us more about these nets and young women.

[Brisketexan 105382]

5 minutes ago, South Austin said:

Please tell us more about these nets and young women.

That net is young women?

[SydneyCarton 48194]

23 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

That's a great post.  Pos'ed.

[SydneyCarton 48194]

17 minutes ago, South Austin said:

Please tell us more about these nets and young women.

About all I can offer is this...if you've got younger age sons, you might want to tell them to not reject college or employment at a lot of colder states that most of us rejected out of hand when we were younger. I feel like Connecticut or Vermont for college might be underserved if you can't afford California. Pacific Northwest is awfully pretty. Michigan is still a great education, and who knows, maybe we're going to see a renaissance in the city of Detroit.

If you're still capable of being optimistic about the future of the United States, North Carolina would be a great bet for them. 

[Foosters 17889]

This is also why part of me has a morbid curiosity in seeing Obergefell fall - the corporate exodus from conservative states would be something.

[sidis 9832]

54 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

have you ever noticed that you post a lot of charts that are sourced from unserious blogs and shit?  that are also extremely vague on the details such as what is considered a "government transfer" in this case?  and that you are posting about 2013 when responding to someone posting about the impact of the trump tax changes that happened five years later?

for example, if one were to look at a chart directly from the CBO instead of "Carpe Diem" for 2018 instead of 2013, it does not support your erroneous declarative statement as it pertains to the middle class...who paid substantially more taxes than they received in transfers. i know you don't care about being wrong and that has never bothered you when engaging in your trolling horseshit, but just so some poor unsuspecting idiot like workswithseed doesn't eat your stupid shit up...

 

[sidis 9832]

3 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

Not to imply that the rest of your list wasn't full of horseshit, but I literally laughed out loud at this one.

*literally

 

3 hours ago, David Dennison said:

Anyone on the right claiming that the Republican Party supports religious freedom, free markets, and less government regulation should not be taken seriously.

 

3 hours ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

They aren’t. 

i think my favorite one was the "lockdown."  the only time the nation went into lockdown following 9/11 was under president trump, a republican senate, and a significant number of republican controlled states.  hilariously stupid and shallow bullshit.  like reading from a cpac script for dipshits.

[Vegas64 678]

9 minutes ago, Foosters said:

This is also why part of me has a morbid curiosity in seeing Obergefell fall - the corporate exodus from conservative states would be something.

Am curious as well. Aside from the legacy economic powerhouses (NY/CA/Boston) from where I sit the fastest or most visibly growing economic engines and corporate outposts seem to be in the South with Texas, specifically Austin, and Atlanta (Silicon Peach) leading the way in that growth. And Miami / Florida, it is widely accepted, has become the crypto capital of USA, so interesting to see web3 companies reactions as well (though crypto/web3 has seemed to have gotten a face full of headwind recently so who knows).

Edited May 4, 2022 by Vegas64

[Longhorn_Fan68 33900]

3 minutes ago, sidis said:

like reading from a cpac script for dipshits.

isn't that redundant?

[Brisketexan 105382]

15 minutes ago, Foosters said:

This is also why part of me has a morbid curiosity in seeing Obergefell fall - the corporate exodus from conservative states would be something.

The impact won't just be on big corporations.  Any enterprise that depends on professionals (law, medicine, tech) is going to lose out on talent if that happens.  If I'm trying to hire a bright young attorney, and he/she is in or expects to be in a long-term same sex relationship, they'd be foolish to take a job in Texas, when they can work in any number of other states where they can marry who they want, get benefits, etc.

There's a race to see which state can be more retrograde, and Texas is doing its best to be at the top of the class.  It's going to cost us talent and in the long run, prosperity.  Lower taxes and available land will only get you so far.

[Francisco 2.0 32430]

18 minutes ago, Foosters said:

This is also why part of me has a morbid curiosity in seeing Obergefell fall - the corporate exodus from conservative states would be something.

And would be cheered on by the GOP and their voters in those states.

 

 

[Sawbonz 27593]

dp

Edited May 4, 2022 by Sawbonz