The Supremes

[bolverk 29656]

2 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Goddamn it really? That's fucking exhausting to constantly come back to play the fuck fuck game of pretending to be reasonable while advancing horrible positions

99.9% sure it's him.

[SydneyCarton 48063]

3 hours ago, Gil Bang said:

 

 

Oh. NOW Federal protections are warranted. Again, so much for states' rights, or individual rights. So much for this concept of America.

 

 

 

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11669]

20 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

Politically speaking, and more specifically looking at mid-terms, how is this in any way helpful to the Republicans? Game it out:

1) This leaks and people are outraged. You continue to rule as you were planning and come mid-terms people turn out to vote against you. Bad outcome for Republicans.

2) This leaks and people are outraged. You change your mind on the ruling because you will lose your suburban women and middle/swing voters for mid-terms. Also you might be seen as weak and waffling so you lose some of the right of center and far right support. Bad outcome?

Seems like the leaker had to be someone who didn't want the Republicans to have good outcomes for the mid-terms, or am I missing something?

we think about it in political terms because we are on a political board thinking about politics.  there's also the chance that the reason isn't political at all.  this draft was touched by at least (1 justice + 4 clerks each) * 9 = 45 people, each of whom knew it would be the biggest newsmaker by scotus since RvW itself.  someone could have just been excited about it and forwarded it to their girlfriend saying "check out what is about to come out . . ."

[Brisketexan 105077]

Oh. NOW Federal protections are warranted. Again, so much for states' rights, or individual rights. So much for this concept of America.


 
 

 

“Leave it to the states” has always been a lie. Always. Forever. The important thing is to kill the right, then they can control individuals however they want, across the board.

[Nivek 16923]

1 hour ago, BrickHorn said:

Here’s the thing about Republicans: they no longer understand principled reasoning. Everything is outcome-driven with them. So of course some dipshit like Sack can’t fathom how the logic of this ruling paves the way for the denial of other analogous rights. He’s not accustomed to logical consistency or principled analysis; the only thing he understands is disingenuous pretext to justify a desired result.

Dude is understandably legitimately baffled by the studied criticism of this ruling. His brain isn’t wired to understand objective, consistent rationale. Either that or he’s gaslighting along with Alito, which is equally probable.

This is what you want to think about them.  This is not who they are.  Johnny Sack might not be a great thinker, but he damn sure loves pain and misery.  He loves Kyle Rittenhouse and he really likes to pretend he was there to render medical aid.   He knows exactly what he is doing.  He just doesn't give a fuck if it harms you plebs.   

[Sbbruin 21829]

14 minutes ago, F250 said:

Schumer and Pelosi are ready to throw down.

Mandelbaum!  Mandelbaum!

[RomaVicta 29902]

1 hour ago, Pig Bellmont said:

 

I'm white. I'm male. I don't care if God punishes you for bad decisions. I am merely his instrument on Earth. Just as God has bestowed me with unique characteristics that make me fitter than anyone else to rule. I do all of this for so little gratitude from those whose lives are improved by my hold over them.

Edited May 5, 2022 by RomaVicta

[Horn Dog 9816]

1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

Also correct.  My wife had to get a D&C after a miscarriage, and it was a rather urgent matter.  Had she not done so, her health was at material risk.

The merry gang of the GOP would prefer to sentence her to death.  I, on the other hand, would happily hold any of them at gunpoint as a hostage to force a Dr. to perform that lifesaving procedure on my wife.  And that is the sort of choice that they are putting in front of the American people today.  Want your wife to live?  You best be prepared to break the law.

It's not as bad as you guys think.

It's worse.

"Oh but we don't want to out law it for these kinds of cases,  just all the other ones!!!"   

 

OK.  Well, who do you think is gonna do the urgent procedure when YOUR wife or daughter needs one urgently to save their life?   Your choice will be the 3rd year resident who read about it in a book a few month ago, or the 70yr old semi retired GYN who performed one 5 years ago.   Which are you gonna choose?

I am a physician who does procedures for a living.   If I don't do the same procedure routinely and frequently I notice it very quickly.  We also have to do a minimum number of cases annually or we lose hospital credentialing to do a specific procedure.   I don't know how any docs in red states are gonna have the numbers to maintain credentialing or proficiency to do these procedures for any circumstances.  

[RomaVicta 29902]

1 hour ago, Vegas64 said:

Politically speaking, and more specifically looking at mid-terms, how is this in any way helpful to the Republicans? Game it out:

1) This leaks and people are outraged. You continue to rule as you were planning and come mid-terms people turn out to vote against you. Bad outcome for Republicans.

2) This leaks and people are outraged. You change your mind on the ruling because you will lose your suburban women and middle/swing voters for mid-terms. Also you might be seen as weak and waffling so you lose some of the right of center and far right support. Bad outcome?

Seems like the leaker had to be someone who didn't want the Republicans to have good outcomes for the mid-terms, or am I missing something?

What if the GOPs know a shitstorm is on the way from the Jan 6 investigations and maybe the Trump related investigations. They know they must keep their most rabid, stupid, and/or malignant supporters frothing.

The leaders of the executive and the GOP Congress tried to overthrow a lawful election to seize power. They even tried to use the military! It's on tape and in print!

Don't listen to that fake news. We. Saved. The. Babies! The Dems were going to fuck and eat them!

Somebody noted that Abbott keeps going to the right even after winning the Texas primary. Why? There's no going back. They need to keep their constituency argument-proof. They need to feed the RAGE. They need to keep the MAGAtards on the march.

It's no longer really a contest of ideas or the best course for the American experiment at all. At least not for the right. Too many of the pro-republic voters don't even know they're in a fight or what kind of fight it is.

 

Edited May 5, 2022 by RomaVicta

[Vegas64 673]

1 hour ago, bolverk said:

99.9% sure it's him.

[Vegas64 673]

1 hour ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

we think about it in political terms because we are on a political board thinking about politics.  there's also the chance that the reason isn't political at all.  this draft was touched by at least (1 justice + 4 clerks each) * 9 = 45 people, each of whom knew it would be the biggest newsmaker by scotus since RvW itself.  someone could have just been excited about it and forwarded it to their girlfriend saying "check out what is about to come out . . ."

This makes complete sense when I put myself in those shoes as well. Imagine getting your hands on this and the bombshell and emotion and, frankly, the importance and inflection point type ruling. It's a generational bombshell.

[bolverk 29656]

12 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

Are you denying it? You have the exact same posting style and joined the day after his last post.

[HenryJames 66038]

[Vegas64 673]

18 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Are you denying it? You have the exact same posting style and joined the day after his last post.

vehemently. 

[Francisco 2.0 32389]

 

 

[Longhorn_Fan68 33867]

I mean stupid, uneducated men, yeah.

[Bookman 4638]

3 hours ago, Captainant said:

Sack is a rich lawyer with generational wealth and a leader in his local church. My money is on gaslighting.

He used to carry around his Bible in law school, and if you met him it took him about 30 seconds to tell you he was rich.

[Anastasis 23463]

If you are going there, Dr. Koushik Shaw is the man. Even complimented me on the size of my ball sack.  A fine bedside manner indeed. 

[Gil Bang 25921]

2 hours ago, Horn Dog said:

"Oh but we don't want to out law it for these kinds of cases,  just all the other ones!!!"   

 

OK.  Well, who do you think is gonna do the urgent procedure when YOUR wife or daughter needs one urgently to save their life?   Your choice will be the 3rd year resident who read about it in a book a few month ago, or the 70yr old semi retired GYN who performed one 5 years ago.   Which are you gonna choose?

I am a physician who does procedures for a living.   If I don't do the same procedure routinely and frequently I notice it very quickly.  We also have to do a minimum number of cases annually or we lose hospital credentialing to do a specific procedure.   I don't know how any docs in red states are gonna have the numbers to maintain credentialing or proficiency to do these procedures for any circumstances.  

The GF and I were vacation in Belize, and, a gay couple was also staying at the Blue Tang the same week.  We became pretty friendly with them poolside, etc.  One of them was a hair stylist and runs a high-end shop in ATL.  He told us that, upon returning from vacation, he fully expected to give bad cuts and colors for a day or two. 

[Immaculate Vibes 114]

4 hours ago, Pig Bellmont said:

 

 

4 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

Also correct.  My wife had to get a D&C after a miscarriage, and it was a rather urgent matter.  Had she not done so, her health was at material risk.

The merry gang of the GOP would prefer to sentence her to death.  I, on the other hand, would happily hold any of them at gunpoint as a hostage to force a Dr. to perform that lifesaving procedure on my wife.  And that is the sort of choice that they are putting in front of the American people today.  Want your wife to live?  You best be prepared to break the law.

It's not as bad as you guys think.

It's worse.

These procedures happen all day every day still here in Texas because they’re medical emergencies.

[Captainant 27638]

Just now, Immaculate Vibes said:

 

These procedures happen all day every day still here in Texas because they’re medical emergencies.

No, those are barbaric murders of PEOPLE(!!!) in Texas. You should know that, tovarich.

[Brisketexan 105077]

1 minute ago, Immaculate Vibes said:

 

These procedures happen all day every day still here in Texas because they’re medical emergencies.

Correct.  They happen TODAY because laws, proposed by numerous GOP officials including sitting US senators, have not been passed yet/become fully effective.  But, now they can be.  And in any case, once they do, my wife and her physician would be subject to having a criminal investigation opened on them both questioning whether the medical procedure was truly necessary.  A woman, going through one of the most traumatic experiences of her life, would absolutely 100% be subject to police questioning over the event to make sure that it wasn't an unnecessary medical procedure, as determined by super-objective GOP officials like Ken Paxton.

Fuck you and fuck everything about you and your pathetic life.  The cruelty, domination, and control that you so crave will one day come back and bite you in the ass.

[Nivek 16923]

So do I get to sue people retroactively for having an abortion now? I want to sue WWS mom for drinking while pregnant and trying to abort her son.

[tchookem 3900]

vehemently. 

I don't know if this is another one of the sock accounts, I'm not making any such accusation. But I am saying that the only thing more pathetic than a grown-ass man being crowdsourced and burning through troll accounts is a grown-ass man creating yet another iteration and vehemently denying it.

[DigglerontheHoof 21183]

33 minutes ago, Immaculate Vibes said:

 

These procedures happen all day every day still here in Texas because they’re medical emergencies.

you're a worthless, cruel cunt

[jimmyjazz 45891]

49 minutes ago, Immaculate Vibes said:

 

These procedures happen all day every day still here in Texas because they’re medical emergencies.

How fucking thick are you?

Don't answer that.

[Horn Dog 9816]

50 minutes ago, Immaculate Vibes said:

 

These procedures happen all day every day still here in Texas because they’re medical emergencies.

In the state of Texas, with a population of 29 million, yes there are emergency surgeries for ruptured ectopic pregnancies daily.  Now how many cases do you think each individual obgyn is doing?  In my 2 hospitals we get MAYBE 1-3 of those cases annually with a obgyn staff of 5. Its all fun and games until its your loved one who needs an proficient surgeon with no time to transfer.  

[Immaculate Vibes 114]

2 minutes ago, Horn Dog said:

In the state of Texas, with a population of 29 million, yes there are emergency surgeries for ruptured ectopic pregnancies daily.  Now how many cases do you think each individual obgyn is doing?  In my 2 hospitals we get MAYBE 1-3 of those cases annually with a obgyn staff of 5. Its all fun and games until its your loved one who needs an proficient surgeon with no time to transfer.  

Suction d&c’s? Ectopics? Maybe you’re at a smaller hospital where on call docs try to turf out anything urgent? Those are basic call cases that a low level resident can complete. 
 

In any case, my point was that the idea that women are suddenly dying everywhere because doctors refuse to do these surgeries thinking they’re somehow illegal is false. 

[Francisco 2.0 32389]

 

 

[ChuckNorrisActionJeans 2663]

there was a woman recently who had to be airlifted out of Texas due to SB8 and docs' unwillingness to risk doing a lifesaving procedure, google if you feel like it, but there was news coverage.

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19100]

17 minutes ago, Immaculate Vibes said:

Suction d&c’s? Ectopics? Maybe you’re at a smaller hospital where on call docs try to turf out anything urgent? Those are basic call cases that a low level resident can complete. 
 

In any case, my point was that the idea that women are suddenly dying everywhere because doctors refuse to do these surgeries thinking they’re somehow illegal is false. 

Get fucked, you pathetic troll.  

[Captainant 27638]

28 minutes ago, ChuckNorrisActionJeans said:

there was a woman recently who had to be airlifted out of Texas due to SB8 and docs' unwillingness to risk doing a lifesaving procedure, google if you feel like it, but there was news coverage.

I was curious and looked, NPR covered it

 

 

 

[DDD Dad 14326]

8 hours ago, Vegas64 said:

‘Sup Donkey?

[MrBig 5385]

6 hours ago, Captainant said:

I was curious and looked, NPR covered it

 

 

 

I thought SB8 had exceptions in cases of medical emergency when the mother’s life at risk. Are Texas doctors just not willing to do this at all anymore so they don’t get sued? 

[Royalfan5 2353]

4 hours ago, MrBig said:

I thought SB8 had exceptions in cases of medical emergency when the mother’s life at risk. Are Texas doctors just not willing to do this at all anymore so they don’t get sued? 

Do you know anyone who likes being sued just because they do their job? 

[TXSooner518 2438]

Do you know anyone who likes being sued just because they do their job? 

Especially sued under a law that egregiously strips due process away from defendants?

[SubliminalHorn 6786]

Republicans are fascists. They don’t actually care about the mother’s or baby’s life

[Captainant 27638]

1 minute ago, SubliminalHorn said:

Republicans are fascists. They don’t actually care about the mother’s or baby’s life

They care about making sure every fetus becomes a baby, but then they don't give a fuck about the mother or the child anymore. Their political use has been met

[gmr548 16576]

45 minutes ago, Captainant said:

They care about making sure every fetus becomes a baby, but then they don't give a fuck about the mother or the child anymore. Their political use has been met

It's not even about that. It's about returning women to second class citizen status.

[Nivek 16923]

I was curious and looked, NPR covered it
 
 
 

Ok, but do you have another example?

[Johnny Sack 8397]

42 minutes ago, Captainant said:

They care about making sure every fetus becomes a baby, but then they don't give a fuck about the mother or the child anymore. Their political use has been met

That is not true. Practicing Christian pro-life types adopt a lot more kids than lefties.

And we certainly no which side is more generous when it comes to reaching into their own pockets to support charities.

[Neonmoon 38129]

Republicans hate women because the bible hates women. 

Quote

 

I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. - Timothy 2:12

Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit in everything to their husbands. - Ephesians 5:22-24

To the woman he said, “I will surely multiply your pain in childbearing; in pain you shall bring forth children. Your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you. - Genesis 3:16

 

If you follow a cult that was started 2000 years ago. It will probably be anti-women

[Brisketexan 105077]

I thought SB8 had exceptions in cases of medical emergency when the mother’s life at risk. Are Texas doctors just not willing to do this at all anymore so they don’t get sued? 

Do you know anyone who likes being sued just because they do their job? 

As a side note, anyone see the irony of the ZOMG we need tOrT RaFORm! crowd creating a cause of action that requires damn near nothing to file and removes functionally all protections against a suit filed in bad faith?
Remember this truth: they actually have no principles. None.
And yeah, now we get to add criminal scrutiny to the mix in numerous states (and Texas will likely join then). Again, a smart doctor would have decided NOT to do my wife’s procedure, because it would open him up to a civil claim against which he has few defenses, and would open him up to criminal investigation and perhaps prosecution where he would be putting his very freedom on the line hoping to convince a jury that the procedure was indeed medically necessary. Oh, and my wife too. Yes, we might have to bankrupt ourselves to hire a criminal defense attorney to keep my already-traumatized wife from going to prison because a zealous prosecutor just doesn’t believe that rhe procedure was really necessary.
This is how the GQP WANTS IT TO BE. It’s not a bug, it’s a feature.

[tx 3 putt 76873]

23 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

It's not even about that. It's about returning women to second class citizen status.

 

per surly GQP maga, this will never happen !!!!!

[Captainant 27638]

10 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

And we certainly no which side is more generous when it comes to reaching into their own pockets to support charities.

I wouldn't call it charitable giving when it's giving to fill a social need created by your own regressive policies to remove social safety nets and prevent easy public access to health service. 

12 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

That is not true. Practicing Christian pro-life types adopt a lot more kids than lefties.

And the issue is, even if that's true or not there's still hundreds of thousands of children being subjected to the foster system and being left to drown in the system. It's not meeting the need of these people that have no parents. You sure gave a shit about them before they could speak for themselves, why don't you give a shit about them now?

I'm pretty sure I "no" why. 

[lemonlime 5503]

3 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

 

As a side note, anyone see the irony of the ZOMG we need tOrT RaFORm! crowd creating a cause of action that requires damn near nothing to file and removes functionally all protections against a suit filed in bad faith?
Remember this truth: they actually have no principles. None.
And yeah, now we get to add criminal scrutiny to the mix in numerous states (and Texas will likely join then). Again, a smart doctor would have decided NOT to do my wife’s procedure, because it would open him up to a civil claim against which he has few defenses, and would open him up to criminal investigation and perhaps prosecution where he would be putting his very freedom on the line hoping to convince a jury that the procedure was indeed medically necessary. Oh, and my wife too. Yes, we might have to bankrupt ourselves to hire a criminal defense attorney to keep my already-traumatized wife from going to prison because a zealous prosecutor just doesn’t believe that rhe procedure was really necessary.
This is how the GQP WANTS IT TO BE. It’s not a bug, it’s a feature.

 

Would professional liability coverage even protect the doctor in this suit?  I'm assuming the insurance company would disclaim coverage because intentional act/criminal conduct.  I can't imagine any doctor wants to be potentially brought into that shit show.

[Brisketexan 105077]

Would professional liability coverage even protect the doctor in this suit?  I'm assuming the insurance company would disclaim coverage because intentional act/criminal conduct.  I can't imagine any doctor wants to be potentially brought into that shit show.

I don’t know, but I would suspect that most malpractice carriers will be adding an exclusion to their policies soon. And of course, malpractice insurance never covers against a criminal charge that I’m aware of.
THIS IS PART OF THE PLAN. Functionally sentence women to death because no dr will willingly perform the procedure.

[South Austin 52456]

And medical malpractice insurance premiums are astronomical as it is.  (Side note:  Remember in the late 90s/early 00s when the lobbyists said tort reform would lower malpractice insurance premiums?  They were full of shit; it never did.)  Most physicians aren't going to give their insurer a reason to further jack them up by exposing them to a civil suit/bounty hunter claim, criminal prosecution, or disciplinary action by their state licensing agency.

[Homercles 10205]

18 hours ago, bolverk said:

Are you denying it? You have the exact same posting style and joined the day after his last post.

There’s now a RatJuul too 

[Bateshorn 9927]

19 hours ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

we think about it in political terms because we are on a political board thinking about politics.  there's also the chance that the reason isn't political at all.  this draft was touched by at least (1 justice + 4 clerks each) * 9 = 45 people, each of whom knew it would be the biggest newsmaker by scotus since RvW itself.  someone could have just been excited about it and forwarded it to their girlfriend saying "check out what is about to come out . . ."

The line I always use is “once you hit send, you’ve sent it to all of DC”. It’s a shockingly small town.