The Supremes

[Mrs Whiggins 13,050]

3 hours ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

My favorite argument being trotted out to support the overturn of Roe is because a fewer percentage of men are getting married post Roe.

 

1 hour ago, mchookem said:

that was from Sack right? i guess he's got empathy for his fellow white males at least 🙄

And it's so stupid for exactly that reason--it is framed as fewer men, instead of focusing on the many reasons why it was of benefit to women and none of anyone else's business.

I would say more, but it's too far from SCOTUS for me to belabor the point.

But yes, the 'woe is me' attitude of upper class white males really proves they are not the brave Americans they think they are.

 

 

[sidis 9,832]

22 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Thanks for the thoughtful response. Lots of good points made in there. You asked me to offer a proposal on outcomes oriented solutions, and I pointed out an area where I think there is opportunity. There is a fair amount of research related to repeated abortion, and studies that have examined the variety of influencing factors. I think that there is some low hanging fruit that could substantively reduce abortions among some of the most vulnerable. You asked for that proposal, but you then afterwards restrict the topic to the political and legal levers. Well, if that is the bounds of our society's approach to abortion (and it surely has been the primary battleground the last 50 years), it brings us to this place today where Roe is apparently going to get overturned and each state will regulate as they see fit. Fueling further polarization and, I think, a swing back the other way in the near term.   

i suppose that's fair but i believed that you were talking about solutions in the context of the discussion in this thread - within the purview of the supreme court decision.  that's why i was so interested in what you believed could be offered.  i understood after you responded and wanted to clarify what it was i was interested in. 

i wasn't trying to restrict the topic to the political venue at all...just the legal one since that's the relevant arena in which the overturn of roe is occurring and the most consequential. and as i stated in my response, if the legal realm is going to allow the criminalization of the the action, then the role of a nuanced approach and a discussion of the underlying causality of the issue is overwhelmingly mooted and irrelevant unfortunately.  instead of spending the last 50 years attempting to extend the bounds of society's "approach" to abortion beyond the legal realm, anti-abortion advocates simply spent all their efforts and time chipping away at the supreme court's protection of these women from criminal consequences.  and now that dog has caught the car...so it would seem that such a rational approach is no longer available when lawmakers are looking to press the advantage before the decision even comes down.  unless clarence eats it in the next few weeks, hard to imagine how it could swing back in the "near term."

[ChiTownDoc 21,154]

1 hour ago, DaysOff said:

Not all conservatives were run off. Some of us just looked into our hearts and couldn't associate with a white-christian nationalist movement. Same reason some of us left the church/faith.

Yeah, don't give me that bullshit that there's no conservatives here.  I just left that clownshow behind.  Only the worst of the worst are left in that party anymore.  I'm not ready to call myself a Democrat but I sure as a motherfucker am NOT Republican.  So gtfo with that bullshit argument, agwithkids, you shit for brains fucktard.

[RomaVicta 29,936]

Ag With Kids:

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I realize I'm on the Burnt Orange Democratic Underground here in the CR.  You've pretty much run off all the conservatives, so you have your happy echo chamber.

Run off the conservatives? Is that like kicking an omnipotent God out of our schools?

The people that meet resistance (how do you run someone off with words?) here aren't conservatives, they're amateur or professional operatives serving a criminal organization content to kill this republic and replace it with an authoritarian-governed banana republic where they wear the epaulettes, peaked caps, and mirror sunglasses.

When your arguments align with the agenda of the Trumpist GЯP, you're playing a losing hand on a board full of educated persons who understand what's at stake. If you feel "run off," it's the weight of logical argument and command of the facts that propels you.

It's pro-republic versus anti-republic. You can't be part of the anti-republic mob and think you're clean because you espouse traditional conservative values. There are no good Nazis. Walking little old ladies across the street and articulating ideas about the necessity to limit government does not weigh nearly enough to counterbalance endorsing the organization that openly attacks confidence in elections, regularly lies, and was part of the Jan. 6 insurrection either before or after the fact.

This board does indeed echo some constant themes. They have to do with the future/doom of the republic and scorn for those abetting same. If you're one of those, fuck off. We were quite friendly on earlier acquaintances. If you are as I describe, again, fuck off.

[Brisketexan 105,161]

5 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

But yes, the 'woe is me' attitude of upper class white males really proves they are not the brave Americans they think they are.

1) There are no bigger whiners/snowflakes than those in power who feel power slipping through their fingers.

2) It's because they are terrified that the "out groups" who take power will treat the former dominant group as utterly shitty as the dominant group historically treated the out groups.

3) They are right to be terrified, because they indeed HAVE been historically shitty.

4) But on the bright side, most people aren't as shitty as they have been over the years, so it probably won't be as bad as they think.

 

TLDR; "christian" white males are the biggest bunch of whiny gutless pussies to ever walk the earth.

[Brisketexan 105,161]

1 minute ago, RomaVicta said:

Ag With Kids:

Run off the conservatives? Is that like kicking an omnipotent God out of our schools?

The people that meet resistance (how do you run someone off with words?) here aren't conservatives, they're amateur or professional operatives serving a criminal organization content to kill this republic and replace it with an authoritarian-governed banana republic where they wear the epaulettes, peaked caps, and mirror sunglasses.

When your arguments align with the agenda of the Trumpist GЯP, you're playing a losing hand on a board full of educated persons who understand what's at stake. If you feel "run off," it's the weight of logical argument and command of the facts that propels you.

It's pro-republic versus anti-republic. You can't be part of the anti-republic mob and think you're clean because you espouse traditional conservative values. There are no good Nazis. Walking little old ladies across the street and articulating ideas about the necessity to limit government does not weigh nearly enough to counterbalance endorsing the organization that openly attacks confidence in elections, regularly lies, and was part of the Jan. 6 insurrection either before or after the fact.

This board does indeed echo some constant themes. They have to do with the future/doom of the republic and scorn for those abetting same. If you're one of those, fuck off. We were quite friendly on earlier acquaintances. If you are as I describe, again, fuck off.

Just remember, guys like Ag with Kids are calling people like George Will "libtards" these days, so the "I'm conservative, you're a lib" cry has zero meaning any more.

[Bama Chick 28,596]

MOTHERFUCKER WE AREN’T TURTLES

I fucking wish I could have laid and egg and buried it on the beach instead of carrying an almost 10 pound baby for 40 weeks.

[Mrs Whiggins 13,050]

I'll take what is an endangered or threatened species for $500, Alex.

On second thought, Daines might actually try and get his ilk labeled as such so never mind.

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19,120]

2 hours ago, mchookem said:

that was from Sack right? i guess he's got empathy for his fellow white males at least 🙄

Not sack, Ross Douthat.  
 

 

 

Edited May 10, 2022 by PenelopeWitherspoon

[Gap03 3,308]

17 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

MOTHERFUCKER WE AREN’T TURTLES
 

I fucking wish I could have laid and egg and buried it on the beach instead of carrying an almost 10 pound baby for 40 weeks.

 

The fucking stupid ... it hurts.  That said, I'm sure it will start making the rounds on Facebook because, ya know, morons  .... 

 

[Brisketexan 105,161]

Just now, Gap03 said:

The fucking stupid ... it hurts.  That said, I'm sure it will start making the rounds on Facebook because, ya know, morons  .... 

 

One simple question: to protect the eggs of turtles and eagles, do we need to infringe on the bodily autonomy of a turtle or eagle?  No, we don't?  Then fuck all the way off with your terrible analogy.  Or, fuck it, let's go all the way -- semen is a potential human, and we should protect it at all times, even after ejaculation.  And thus, I propose charging every male who masturbates with murder.  After all, if we are protecting the elements of fertilization, we must be equal in our protection, whether it be the male or female element, because all life is sacred.  Right?  I mean, even Monty fucking Python knows that.

[WhatTheBuck 28,788]

We don’t have laws protecting baby turtles from all the predators they face on their journey from their clutch back to the sea after they hatch.

[sidis 9,832]

40 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

MOTHERFUCKER WE AREN’T TURTLES
 

 

I fucking wish I could have laid and egg and buried it on the beach instead of carrying an almost 10 pound baby for 40 weeks.

 

The United States Senate, ladies and gentlemen! 

fuuuck

[gmr548 16,580]

MOTHERFUCKER WE AREN’T TURTLES




I fucking wish I could have laid and egg and buried it on the beach instead of carrying an almost 10 pound baby for 40 weeks.

I mean, intellectually I know this isn’t funny, it’s horrifying.

But also lmao holy fuck this is so dumb

[Anastasis 23,478]

43 minutes ago, sidis said:

i suppose that's fair but i believed that you were talking about solutions in the context of the discussion in this thread - within the purview of the supreme court decision.  that's why i was so interested in what you believed could be offered.  i understood after you responded and wanted to clarify what it was i was interested in. 

...

if the legal realm is going to allow the criminalization of the the action, then the role of a nuanced approach and a discussion of the underlying causality of the issue is overwhelmingly mooted and irrelevant unfortunately. 

Nothing to disagree with there. I think that I have been pretty consistent over the many years of discussions on the topic that there is not a viable political or legal solution. I am an asshole, but at least a consistent one in that regard. The dysfunction of our revolving politics undermine any ability to address areas of the issue where we can find some common ground. We are a broken society.  

[Sawbonz 27,580]

55 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

MOTHERFUCKER WE AREN’T TURTLES

[Deej 76,842]

I have enough of turtles. Fuck them.

 

[Helobious 9,462]

If abortion is murder, why isn’t a miscarriage or stillbirth manslaughter? Serious question. I don’t see how you could argue for abortion being murder and then not want all miscarriages/stillbirths investigated to see if it was caused by risky or improper behavior from the mother.

[Hornius Emeritus 12,472]

1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

Or, fuck it, let's go all the way -- semen is a potential human, and we should protect it at all times, even after ejaculation.  And thus, I propose charging every male who masturbates with murder.

 

 

[Sawbonz 27,580]

5 minutes ago, Helobious said:

If abortion is murder, why isn’t a miscarriage or stillbirth manslaughter? Serious question. I don’t see how you could argue for abortion being murder and then not want all miscarriages/stillbirths investigated to see if it was caused by risky or improper behavior from the mother.

They do

[WhatTheBuck 28,788]

38 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Otoh, I wish nothing but health and long life for Spot.

[mchookem 16,337]

23 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

Otoh, I wish nothing but health and long life for Spot.

'sup

[tx 3 putt 77,120]

2 hours ago, Bama Chick said:

MOTHERFUCKER WE AREN’T TURTLES
 

 

I fucking wish I could have laid and egg and buried it on the beach instead of carrying an almost 10 pound baby for 40 weeks.

 

[elfenix 34,326]

1 hour ago, sidis said:

The United States Senate, ladies and gentlemen! 

fuuuck

i have no idea how the republican party found so many high functioning idiots to run for office.

[Satchel 6,938]

4 hours ago, Michael Knight said:

What if we just shot the fetus with an AR-15, would that make it a right?

It would certainly give the pro birth crowd pause.

[Grade of D as in David 13,253]

2 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

One simple question: to protect the eggs of turtles and eagles, do we need to infringe on the bodily autonomy of a turtle or eagle?  No, we don't?  Then fuck all the way off with your terrible analogy.  Or, fuck it, let's go all the way -- semen is a potential human, and we should protect it at all times, even after ejaculation.  And thus, I propose charging every male who masturbates with murder.  After all, if we are protecting the elements of fertilization, we must be equal in our protection, whether it be the male or female element, because all life is sacred.  Right?  I mean, even Monty fucking Python knows that.

Also if the point of sex is only for procreation shouldn't we be stopping old people from having sex and criminalize it too?

[Mrs Whiggins 13,050]

5 minutes ago, Grade of D as in David said:

Also if the point of sex is only for procreation shouldn't we be stopping old people menopausal women from having sex and criminalize it too?

FIFY. I'm sure that is buried somewhere in Senator Rick Scott's Tax plan.

Speaking of his plan, did anyone else notice that the Party of no abortion, and perhaps no birth control, supports his plan that eliminates the Child Tax Credit?

[Satchel 6,938]

2 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

FIFY. I'm sure that is buried somewhere in Senator Rick Scott's Tax plan.

Speaking of his plan, did anyone else notice that the Party of no abortion, and perhaps no birth control, supports his plan that eliminates the Child Tax Credit?

Mumbles McConnell is mad at Rick for running with the wildly unpopular plan. They are as quiet about it as they are the Alieto decision.

[jimmyjazz 45,986]

17 minutes ago, Grade of D as in David said:

Also if the point of sex is only for procreation shouldn't we be stopping old people from having sex and criminalize it too?

* except in cases of rape and incest

[Grade of D as in David 13,253]

26 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

FIFY. I'm sure that is buried somewhere in Senator Rick Scott's Tax plan.

Speaking of his plan, did anyone else notice that the Party of no abortion, and perhaps no birth control, supports his plan that eliminates the Child Tax Credit?

Those old guys aren't getting it up naturally. 

Make Viagra a schedule 1 narcotic.

[WhatTheBuck 28,788]

1 hour ago, mchookem said:

'sup

Who’s a good turtle? Who’s a good turtle? YOU’RE a good turtle! Yes you are! Yes you are!

[TexasEd 8,067]

3 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

One simple question: to protect the eggs of turtles and eagles, do we need to infringe on the bodily autonomy of a turtle or eagle?  No, we don't?  Then fuck all the way off with your terrible analogy.  Or, fuck it, let's go all the way -- semen is a potential human, and we should protect it at all times, even after ejaculation.  And thus, I propose charging every male who masturbates with murder.  After all, if we are protecting the elements of fertilization, we must be equal in our protection, whether it be the male or female element, because all life is sacred.  Right?  I mean, even Monty fucking Python knows that.

 

 

[lemonlime 5,503]

28 minutes ago, Grade of D as in David said:

Those old guys aren't getting it up naturally. 

Make Viagra a schedule 1 narcotic.

Castrate them.   If sex is only for procreation.  I mean, if we're invading people's bodies let's fucking do it.

[tx 3 putt 77,120]

2 hours ago, elfenix said:

i have no idea how the republican party found so many high functioning idiots to run for office.

 

it's a very low bar 

[NameAlreadyInUse 5,114]

4 hours ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Yeah, don't give me that bullshit that there's no conservatives here.  I just left that clownshow behind.  Only the worst of the worst are left in that party anymore.  I'm not ready to call myself a Democrat but I sure as a motherfucker am NOT Republican.  So gtfo with that bullshit argument, agwithkids, you shit for brains fucktard.

Yeah, I've been posting on these boards for a long fucking time.  I have argued with a lot of you for 20+ years now.  Most of you disagreed with me about gay marriage back when I first started posting about it on Hornfans.  Y'all are still the same people, you were just presented with evidence that your opinions were incorrect and you corrected them, much as I have done on many topics over the years from listening to you imbeciles.  

The difference between those of you that are still around, and people like Ag with Kids, who used to be a great poster, is that he didn't let facts get in the way of his opinions. All those so-called conservative posters that went away did so because they knew they were wrong, they knew they couldn't win the arguments they were making intellectually anymore, and they didn't want to be reminded of that fact.  All the rest of us have gone on being fiscally conservative, we've gone on being for personal liberty, and we've realized that we can't be Republicans if we believe in those concepts, because Republicans do not believe in those ideals, despite the fact that they don't ever stop yelling about how much they believe in them.  

I feel sorry for people like Ag with Kids who couldn't use the brain God gave him to look at reality and adjust to it.  It must be a really shitty world where you have to spend so much of your time trying to fake reality to match your beliefs.  I'm sorry for your loss, Ag with Kids.

And to prove that I have also changed my opinion on things based on what I've read here, you have proved to me that there is an exception to every rule.  I no longer think OU grads are 100% sister fuckers.  Now I'm only certain that 99.9% of them are.

[NameAlreadyInUse 5,114]

Oh and by the way, to be serious here for a second.  Let's look 10 years down the road, shall we?

1.  Because of Roe being overturned, contraceptives have been outlawed

2.  And because of shit laws like they passed in Florida, gay kids are once again ostracized to the point that they will hide their sexuality until later in life.

That's going to have a 2 fold negative effect on life for EVERYONE.

#1, more gay kids are going to end up fathers (or mothers) before they figure things out, which will wreak havoc on those gay kids and their whole fucking families in a way that coming out never can.  And of course, let's not forget #2.  We are voluntarily giving up one of the best tools for fighting STI's while at the same time pushing people into closets where they are MORE likely to partake in risky sex anyway, and guess what is going to come back with a vengeance?  If you guessed HIV rates to skyrocket, you are a winner!

Fucking A this is depressing.

[Satchel 6,938]

4 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

1) There are no bigger whiners/snowflakes than those in power who feel power slipping through their fingers.

2) It's because they are terrified that the "out groups" who take power will treat the former dominant group as utterly shitty as the dominant group historically treated the out groups.

3) They are right to be terrified, because they indeed HAVE been historically shitty.

4) But on the bright side, most people aren't as shitty as they have been over the years, so it probably won't be as bad as they think.

 

TLDR; "christian" white males are the biggest bunch of whiny gutless pussies to ever walk the earth.

I’m not at all convinced out groups are set on revenge. I think most just want to be left alone to pursue happiness.

[Captainant 27,682]

3 minutes ago, Satchel said:

I’m not at all convinced out groups are set on revenge. I think most just want to be left alone to pursue happiness.

That's because you have empathy and don't view society as a zero sum game. 

[NameAlreadyInUse 5,114]

6 minutes ago, Satchel said:

I’m not at all convinced out groups are set on revenge. I think most just want to be left alone to pursue happiness.

The problem is that the people in power by and large know that they are vengeful, so they assume everyone else is as well.  And some will be, but I hold out hope that you are right, and most won't be when they get power.

[StassneyHorn 6,618]

Republicans are going to block Tinder.

[Bama Chick 28,596]

I’m not at all convinced out groups are set on revenge. I think most just want to be left alone to pursue happiness.

I don’t think they want “revenge” either but republicans ALWAYS force their imagined reactions on others. They have a fundamental inability to place themselves in someone else’s shoes.

Fuck, these old white straight christian men see themselves as victims NOW and want “revenge” on marginalized groups because of their emotions and feelings and fear.

And these fuckrods have held the upper hand in America since it’s founding!

They just assume everyone else is a giant piece of garbage shit with the worst motives imaginable because they’re giant pieces of garbage shit with the worst motives imaginable.

This video from the George Floyd protests really stuck with me.

“They’re lucky that what we’re looking for is equality and not revenge.”

[WhatTheBuck 28,788]

4 hours ago, NameAlreadyInUse said:

Oh and by the way, to be serious here for a second.  Let's look 10 years down the road, shall we?

1.  Because of Roe being overturned, contraceptives have been outlawed

2.  And because of shit laws like they passed in Florida, gay kids are once again ostracized to the point that they will hide their sexuality until later in life.

That's going to have a 2 fold negative effect on life for EVERYONE.

#1, more gay kids are going to end up fathers (or mothers) before they figure things out, which will wreak havoc on those gay kids and their whole fucking families in a way that coming out never can.  And of course, let's not forget #2.  We are voluntarily giving up one of the best tools for fighting STI's while at the same time pushing people into closets where they are MORE likely to partake in risky sex anyway, and guess what is going to come back with a vengeance?  If you guessed HIV rates to skyrocket, you are a winner!

Fucking A this is depressing.

Not to mention that there will also be an uptick in the suicide rate among young gay people.

[Goofyboy 3,293]

Republicans are going to block Tinder.

Tinder, all porn, sex toys will be outlawed again… drug war ramped back up etc etc. this is a Republican wet dream if Roe gets over turned.

[Pig Bellmont 8,719]

 

[WhatTheBuck 28,788]

44 minutes ago, Goofyboy said:

Tinder, all porn, sex toys will be outlawed again… drug war ramped back up etc etc. this is a Republican wet dream if Roe gets over turned.

Republicans love their porn. That will never get banned.

[Mrs Whiggins 13,050]

That thread/article upon which  Vladeck remarks is giving me pause. I'm considering the sources and the rumors that have been swirling, but it does give off the aura of "that's a nice robe you've got there, Mr. Roberts. Be a shame if something happened to you while you were wearing it." I don't know why the Right is concerned. Roberts and the others in the majority won't change.

[Pig Bellmont 8,719]

3 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

That thread/article upon which  Vladeck remarks is giving me pause. I'm considering the sources and the rumors that have been swirling, but it does give off the aura of "that's a nice robe you've got there, Mr. Roberts. Be a shame if something happened to you while you were wearing it." I don't know why the Right is concerned. Roberts and the others in the majority won't change.

Ginni Thomas is a pizza gate level psycho. You surprised “a source close to conservative justices” is threatening about the ACA flip? Oh, and this isn’t a threat to Roberts, but to the wavering justice. 

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19,120]

Hey, @StruggleBus, you want to log an opinion, or are you just going to be a cunt?  Par for the course for you.  I guess we can just add you to the side of misogyny.  Congrats, douchebag. 

Edited May 11, 2022 by PenelopeWitherspoon

[Mrs Whiggins 13,050]

6 minutes ago, Pig Bellmont said:

Ginni Thomas is a pizza gate level psycho. You surprised “a source close to conservative justices” is threatening about the ACA flip? Oh, and this isn’t a threat to Roberts, but to the wavering justice. 

It's not so much that I am surprised there was a threat, as much as how quickly the windows were opened on the fifth floor. Damn, these fascists have no manners.

[Captainant 27,682]

54 minutes ago, Pig Bellmont said:

 

Jesus the grievance stoking in the second quote about Roberts changing his Obamacare opinion at the 11th hour: "There is a price to be paid for what he did. Everybody remembers it". 

I'd bet money that the leaker of the Dobbs draft was a fedsoc fuckboi that wanted to lock Roberts into his position.