The Supremes

[Starfleet Command 441]

Sounds like WV v. EPA is coming down tomorrow?  As horrible as Dobbs is, I think that's the case that pretty much ends this country's ability to compete globally and all but resigns our future to the third world.  An admin with a spine would ignore the ruling and bring this thing to a head now, but we all know that's not going to happen.

[Captainant 28607]

7 minutes ago, LCHorn said:

I also think social media is 50% of the problem (kind of like calvary in WW I, our tactics haven’t kept up with technology/Boomers lose their minds with social media).  As the olds die things will improve, or at least that’s where I hold out hope.  

It's really pretty fascinating. Put your average boomer in front of a computer and they just fucking turn off their critical thinking. They just give up trying to think and just mindlessly click boxes without reading, and jump to whatever conclusion is most comfortable.

I'm not talking politics - I mean trying to do fucking ANYTHING on a computer. Printer doesn't work? Must be because you installed that program! Or maybe because you plugged in a new thermostat to the wifis!! I don't know why, but there's a significant subset of people that just turn off their brains when they see a screen.

[Macklemore 2946]

1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

Except that's not what they're doing.  They're being led by the nose by Rufo to believe that the most extreme forms of CRT are being taught at early levels of education.

When you call what is being taught something other than CRT, something more accurate, the argument loses most of its force.  Parents are objecting, for the most part, to the teaching of the racial history of the United States.

Critical Race Theory is an actual thing about which reasonable minds can differ.  The term doesn't apply to every teaching or discussion of the grim racial history of the US.

I agree that labeling it CRT is incorrect and muddles the issue turning it into a debate over the terminology - which progressives use to skirt the issue. Much of the MSM does the same because of their bias. There needs to be a more precise and broader definition of what is objectionable - lumping current students that happen to be white as oppressors and active participants in white supremacy are a couple of markers; how about calling it “White Collective guilt”. A play on the term “collective punishment” - a broad brush with a negative impact applicable to a large swath of humanity. I know this is happening as my niece in a class exercise was grouped with other white kids as being a member of an oppressor group. That is dangerous and offensive to many parents.

Edited June 28, 2022 by Macklemore

[washparkhorn 9974]

I will never not blame marketers:

 

Profit from post-structural analysis distorts truth, if such a thing exists. 

[Macklemore 2946]

1 hour ago, SmokeyTheBear said:

You STILL don't know what CRT is. 

 

Also since you brought it up before but didn't address my question, what is it you consider the "new right"? You said you embody it. What is it? What are the principles that guide it? 

Post-liberal. Read Compact Magazine. 
https://compactmag.com. You’ll find articles by the leading intellectuals of the new right - Prof. Vermuele, Sohrab Ahmari, Michael Deneen and Gladden Pappin. Sens. Hawley, Rubio and Cotton espouse some of the ideas - not nearly enough for my taste. Hungary is probably the best example of it being put in practice.

[Captainant 28607]

mfw mackelmore continues to espouse fascism

[George Clooney 378]

10 minutes ago, Macklemore said:

Post-liberal. Read Compact Magazine. 
https://compactmag.com. You’ll find articles by the leading intellectuals of the new right - Prof. Vermuele, Sohrab Ahmari, Michael Deneen and Gladden Pappin. Sens. Hawley, Rubio and Cotton espouse some of the ideas - not nearly enough for my taste. Hungary is probably the best example of it being put in practice.

Everyone you listed sucks, but specifically you’ve been duped by Vermeule and Ahmari. Those two guys are just social strivers who espouse Integralism because it makes them edgy in their little DC bubble. 
 

The only true intellectual of the new Right is BAP, and he disregards religious thought in general because his main influences were Nietzsche, Strauss, and the pre-Socratics. Of course he still desires authoritarian rule, so he begrudgingly has allied with the aforementioned frauds as well as their peers like Moldbug.

[Captainant 28607]

12 minutes ago, George Clooney said:

Everyone you listed sucks, but specifically you’ve been duped by Vermeule and Ahmari. Those two guys are just social strivers who espouse Integralism because it makes them edgy in their little DC bubble. 
 

The only true intellectual of the new Right is BAP, and he disregards religious thought in general because his main influences were Nietzsche, Strauss, and the pre-Socratics. Of course he still desires authoritarian rule, so he begrudgingly has allied with the aforementioned frauds as well as their peers like Moldbug.

You're talking to someone who doesn't know the difference big-L Liberalism and little-L liberalism. He hears "Liberal Democracy" and thinks of chuckandnancy and sleepy joe - not the academic definition of our political system that encompasses separation of powers, an independent judiciary and a system of checks and balances between branches of government.

He's not a serious person, but will cry foul and rally up shitposters with the best of em. But since there's no policy or rule against being a small minded authoritarian message board brawler, he's going to stick around and buzz you like an annoying fly in the room you're in.

Edited June 28, 2022 by Captainant

[South Austin 53277]

I'm just waiting for the U.S. Supreme Court to reinstate prima nocta.

[SmokeyTheBear 5569]

28 minutes ago, Macklemore said:

Post-liberal. Read Compact Magazine. 
https://compactmag.com. You’ll find articles by the leading intellectuals of the new right - Prof. Vermuele, Sohrab Ahmari, Michael Deneen and Gladden Pappin. Sens. Hawley, Rubio and Cotton espouse some of the ideas - not nearly enough for my taste. Hungary is probably the best example of it being put in practice.

I appreciate the honesty here, but Hungary huh? Fan of Orban? 

[Sbbruin 22147]

7 minutes ago, South Austin said:

I'm just waiting for the U.S. Supreme Court to reinstate prima nocta.

[aggie08 21853]

19 minutes ago, George Clooney said:

Everyone you listed sucks, but specifically you’ve been duped by Vermeule and Ahmari. Those two guys are just social strivers who espouse Integralism because it makes them edgy in their little DC bubble. 
 

The only true intellectual of the new Right is BAP, and he disregards religious thought in general because his main influences were Nietzsche, Strauss, and the pre-Socratics. Of course he still desires authoritarian rule, so he begrudgingly has allied with the aforementioned frauds as well as their peers like Moldbug.

[Macklemore 2946]

1 hour ago, Captainant said:

mfw mackelmore continues to espouse fascism

National conservatism/Common good government/Integralism

If you’re quibbling with me about what is or isn’t CRT according then you need to apply the same standard to yourself with regard to the ideas I’m describing.

[George Clooney 378]

4 minutes ago, Macklemore said:

National conservatism/Common good government/Integralism

If you’re quibbling with me about what is or isn’t CRT according then you need to apply the same standard to yourself with regard to the ideas I’m describing.

Each of those three forms of government can only be implemented by an authoritarian, so your complaints about quibbling are stupid. Of course you are also stupid so this makes sense. I still can’t believe you’ve let a dork like Vermeule influence your thoughts lol

[Macklemore 2946]

1 hour ago, George Clooney said:

Each of those three forms of government can only be implemented by an authoritarian, so your complaints about quibbling are stupid. Of course you are also stupid so this makes sense. I still can’t believe you’ve let a dork like Vermeule influence your thoughts lol

Authoritarian doesn’t equal fascist. Vermeule is at the top of my list when it comes to intellectuals. 

[George Clooney 378]

3 minutes ago, Macklemore said:

Authoritarian doesn’t equal fascist. Vermeule is at the top of my list when it comes to intellectuals. 

Right, but authoritarian rule is just as bad as fascist rule (especially for its targeted groups). Again, your list means nothing to anyone on here because it’s developed by your brain.

[South Austin 53277]

6 minutes ago, Macklemore said:

Authoritarian doesn’t equal fascist. Vermeule is at the top of my list when it comes to intellectuals. 

[Macklemore 2946]

2 minutes ago, George Clooney said:

Right, but authoritarian rule is just as bad as fascist rule (especially for its targeted groups). Again, your list means nothing to anyone on here because it’s developed by your brain.

Name me the targeted group in Singapore. How about in Poland. Fidesz goes after Soros, I will even give you the Soros backed NGOs. Anyone else?

[Bama Chick 28596]

GTFO with your waterbrained authoritarian nonsense, you meth addled freak.





How do we get rid of this shadow docket bullshittery?

[gmr548 16704]

Wrong - claiming that there isn’t a legitimate concern by parents of what is being taught at a grade school level doesn’t let the technical, academic definition of CRT used at the university level - satisfying @Pancho’s criteria is an attempt to skirt the issue. Lumping all white people as being oppressors or the the founding and independence of this country was founded on slavery and teaching that in grade school is the problem-call that whatever you wish.

Even though this is fabricated, fear mongering, race baiting nonsense, I still wish they’d have taught it at your school instead of simply feeding you lead paint.

[kevwun 16450]

and meth.  Don't forget the meth.

[JBJ 3830]

13 hours ago, NWBuck said:

When this first came to light, the district offered him a place to pray in private (accommodating his freedom of religion) and even told him he could pray on the field after everyone had left (and he was heading home) if he wished.

If you can understand this question, then you'll understand this case:  What was the district policy for which he required religious accomodation?

[George Clooney 378]

1 hour ago, Macklemore said:

Name me the targeted group in Singapore. How about in Poland. Fidesz goes after Soros, I will even give you the Soros backed NGOs. Anyone else?

You’re aware that LKY brutally cracked down on Leftists and union sympathizers, right? Singapore, FiS, and Fidesz have engaged in anti-LGBT rhetoric for years because they want those who belong to that group to feel ostracized and submit to the traditional family values within each of their respective cultures. The main point of illiberal states is to force an artificial national identity by demonizing groups that don’t perfectly fit within whichever variant of natural law they adhere to. 

[elfenix 34792]

5 hours ago, Starfleet Command said:

Sounds like WV v. EPA is coming down tomorrow?  As horrible as Dobbs is, I think that's the case that pretty much ends this country's ability to compete globally and all but resigns our future to the third world.  An admin with a spine would ignore the ruling and bring this thing to a head now, but we all know that's not going to happen.

did i miss the court ruling in the medicare coverage cases striking down chevron or no?

[JBJ 3830]

39 minutes ago, elfenix said:

did i miss the court ruling in the medicare coverage cases striking down chevron or no?

They ignored Chevron.  I predict this trend will continue for another 20 years until Chevron gets "controversially" overturned.  The dissent will call it an important long-standing precedent even though it frequently gets ignored and hasn't been determinative of a case in decades.

[Captainant 28607]

7 minutes ago, JBJ said:

They ignored Chevron.  I predict this trend will continue for another 20 years until Chevron gets "controversially" overturned.  The dissent will call it an important long-standing precedent even though it frequently gets ignored and hasn't been determinative of a case in decades.

This is a pretty lazy way to justify your party's bad faith actions, to just presume the opposition will debase itself like your party has with the judicial system. 

But don't let me get in the way of your trolling

[JBJ 3830]

2 minutes ago, Captainant said:

This is a pretty lazy way to justify your party's bad faith actions, to just presume the opposition will debase itself like your party has with the judicial system. 

But don't let me get in the way of your trolling

I'm guessing this was a giant woosh.

[ultimaton 2985]

I'm sure the totally-not-fascist authoritarian government Icono so desperately wants is just going to overlook not only his ethnicity but also his history of drug use and homosexual acts when they're deciding who gets to benefit and who... doesn't... in their society. Totally nothing for him to worry about, no sir.

[Willfully Horn 8290]

9 hours ago, SmokeyTheBear said:

You said you embody it. What is it? What are the principles that guide it? 

I have been talking about the new right, or as the guru of the new right, Curtis Yarvin,  prefers to call it (because the name is “cool,”) the deep right, for several months. 
 

“The deep right knows that all government is absolute. Because of this, the deep right is only interested in paths to absolute power.”

 

https://graymirror.substack.com/p/principles-of-the-deep-right

[bolverk 30376]

1 hour ago, ultimaton said:

I'm sure the totally-not-fascist authoritarian government Icono so desperately wants is just going to overlook not only his ethnicity but also his history of drug use and homosexual acts when they're deciding who gets to benefit and who... doesn't... in their society. Totally nothing for him to worry about, no sir.

It's amazing how this psychopath continues to keep up the charade he's not Icono. Best not to indulge the broken brained sicko by trying to engage in any sort of debate or conversation. He gets off on offending others with his pseudo-intellectual fascist beliefs.

Put him on ignore or just neg and move along.

[Foosters 18287]

Just now, bolverk said:

It's amazing how this psychopath continues to keep up the charade he's not Icono. Best not to indulge the broken brained sicko by trying to engage in any sort of debate or conversation. He gets off on offending others with his pseudo-intellectual fascist beliefs.

Put him on ignore or just neg and move along.

Mods confirmed he's Icono.

 

[Goredho 17663]

8 hours ago, Macklemore said:

the leading intellectuals of the new right.

Tell me you are a fucking idiot while telling me you are a fucking idiot.

[Fastbreak 4057]

Most of the “Christians” I know have never read the Bible and hardly any even own the book (or any book).

They trust what they think or what other people have told them. It’s of course the same with the Constitution.

This is where the problem really is. The most uneducated are interpreting the law and the will of god by what is in their head or what they are told. They can never be corrected or educated because they simply do not have the ability to reason or deduce anything.

We’ve handed the keys to the county to the most stupid and least likely to improve themselves.

[bolverk 30376]

11 minutes ago, Foosters said:

Mods confirmed he's Icono.

 

Last I saw, Hayden couldn't confirm it due to a different IP, and Icono/Mack was still denying it as late as a week or so ago.

To wit, this is from last Friday where he's still denying it:

https://www.surlyhorns.com/board/topic/1761-official-thread-for-abortion-demagoguery/page/44/#comment-4410547

Edited June 29, 2022 by bolverk

[elfenix 34792]

iirc he keeps claiming that an IP check confirmed he's not icono, which isn't at all how IP checks work. 

 

imho he's not icono the way darth vader isn't anakin skywalker, from a certain point of view

 

 

[Foosters 18287]

15 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Last I saw, Hayden couldn't confirm it due to a different IP, and Icono/Mack was still denying it as late as a week or so ago.

To wit, this is from last Friday where he's still denying it:

https://www.surlyhorns.com/board/topic/1761-official-thread-for-abortion-demagoguery/page/44/#comment-4410547

I got a timeout for saying (in response to a Macklemore post) "Icono, put a bullet in your head."

As Icono no longer posts here, that was good enough for me to confirm.

[Macklemore 2946]

1 minute ago, Foosters said:

I got a timeout for saying (in response to a Macklemore post) "Icono, put a bullet in your head."

As Icono no longer posts here, that was good enough for me to confirm.

Umm I think the reason you had a timeout was because you wanted to put a bullet in a poster’s head. That’s not confirmation I’m icono. I’m not. My foray into the cesspool is done for now.

[Longhorn_Fan68 34108]

Edited June 29, 2022 by Longhorn_Fan68

[Captainant 28607]

7 minutes ago, Macklemore said:

Umm I think the reason you had a timeout was because you wanted to put a bullet in a poster’s head. That’s not confirmation I’m icono. I’m not. My foray into the cesspool is done for now.

Bye, Felicia. Say hi to the fascists for me!

[Bama Chick 28596]

Fuck off, methface.

Also, I love the kids.

[chainsaw 10313]

5 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

Fuck off, methface.

Also, I love the kids.
 

Gen Z is great

[chainsaw 10313]

5 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

Fuck off, methface.

Also, I love the kids.
 

[Macklemore 2946]

15 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

Fuck off, methface.

Also, I love the kids.
 

Yeah let’s cheer and applaud the intimidation of Supreme Court Justices in their homes. At least have the decency to be intellectually honest enough to admit what you want here.

Edited June 29, 2022 by Macklemore

[Gap03 3396]

14 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

Fuck off, methface.

Also, I love the kids.
 

Hopefully they've ordered about $50,000 worth of gay porn, dildos, Plan B and pregnancy tests and had it shipped to the offending justices' home addresses ...

[Goofyboy 3438]

Yeah let’s cheer and applaud the intimidation of Supreme Court Justices in their homes. At least have the decency to be intellectually honest enough to admit what you want here.

Fuck Em. They’re actively lying in decisions. They deserve everything they have coming to them. Hell, one is married to a fucking traitor.

[Captainant 28607]

13 minutes ago, Macklemore said:

Yeah let’s cheer and applaud the intimidation of Supreme Court Justices in their homes. At least have the decency to be intellectually honest enough to admit what you want here.

Go eat a bag of dicks, icono. 

[TwiceHorn 32113]

9 hours ago, Macklemore said:

I agree that labeling it CRT is incorrect and muddles the issue turning it into a debate over the terminology - which progressives use to skirt the issue. Much of the MSM does the same because of their bias. There needs to be a more precise and broader definition of what is objectionable - lumping current students that happen to be white as oppressors and active participants in white supremacy are a couple of markers; how about calling it “White Collective guilt”. A play on the term “collective punishment” - a broad brush with a negative impact applicable to a large swath of humanity. I know this is happening as my niece in a class exercise was grouped with other white kids as being a member of an oppressor group. That is dangerous and offensive to many parents.

What happened in the United States prior to  1865 can fully accurately be called oppression and white supremacy.  Calling it anything else is mincing words. And it continued on for at least another century with plenty of legal force behind it.  And remnants remain that are subtle, but no less handicapping.

I'm not sure that exploring the dynamics of oppression in a classroom is a bad thing.  Slavery remains an abstraction for many.  And the post-slavery oppression of Jim Crow is worse.  Telling modern day schoolchildren that they are active oppressors seems rightfully objectionable, though.  I'm not sure how often that is actually happening, and I sure as fuck don't trust Rufo and his ilk to tell me truthfully.

Edited June 29, 2022 by TwiceHorn

[Satchel 6983]

5 hours ago, JBJ said:

If you can understand this question, then you'll understand this case:  What was the district policy for which he required religious accomodation?

It’s a shame the teacher is not familiar with the preamble to the Lord’s Prayer in Matthew 6. Couida saved him a lot of trouble:

"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full.

6 

But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

7 

And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words.

8 

Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.

[wildcat09 29601]

14 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

What happened in the United States prior to  1865 can fully accurately be called oppression and white supremacy.  Calling it anything else is mincing words. And it continued on for at least another century with plenty of legal force behind it.  And remnants remain that are subtle, but no less handicapping.

I'm not sure that exploring the dynamics of oppression in a classroom is a bad thing.  Slavery remains an abstraction for many.  And the post-slavery oppression of Jim Crow is worse.  Telling modern day schoolchildren that they are active oppressors seems rightfully objectionable, though.  I'm not sure how often that is actually happening, and I sure as fuck don't trust Rufo and his ilk to tell me truthfully.

Given the latest shadow docket order today, I wouldn’t really call the remnants of white supremacy that still hold substantial power in America “subtle.”

[Pancho 46380]

10 hours ago, Macklemore said:

I agree that labeling it CRT is incorrect and muddles the issue turning it into a debate over the terminology - which progressives use to skirt the issue. Much of the MSM does the same because of their bias. There needs to be a more precise and broader definition of what is objectionable - lumping current students that happen to be white as oppressors and active participants in white supremacy are a couple of markers; how about calling it “White Collective guilt”. A play on the term “collective punishment” - a broad brush with a negative impact applicable to a large swath of humanity. I know this is happening as my niece in a class exercise was grouped with other white kids as being a member of an oppressor group. That is dangerous and offensive to many parents.

None of that is happening. 

 

11 hours ago, Macklemore said:

Wrong - claiming that there isn’t a legitimate concern by parents of what is being taught at a grade school level doesn’t let the technical, academic definition of CRT used at the university level - satisfying @Pancho’s criteria is an attempt to skirt the issue. Lumping all white people as being oppressors or the the founding and independence of this country was founded on slavery and teaching that in grade school is the problem-call that whatever you wish.

Why is teaching Black students about their history and how it played a role in the birthing of America a bad thing?  Why don't you and other radical right wingers like flatty don't want Black people to learn their history? 

Why don't you want White people to learn this history?