The Supremes

[troph 24028]

9 minutes ago, TXSooner518 said:

There aren’t gonna be elections during those 30 years, at least not as we understand them. Christofascist authoritarians out front shoulda told ya.

 

8 minutes ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

If the Reps control both houses going into the 24 elections, we're done as a democracy. If (when) they play Calvin ball w/ the 24 election (w/ full support of SCOTUS) we'll be a fascist state.  Hence, The Ledge.  

y'all are both correct. I was painting a picture that is the absolute best outcome Dems can hope for. First the next two years are gridlock. then AT A MINIMUM Republicans have full control over all three branches for half the time. AT BEST Dems can force gridlock for close to have the time and if, and possibly only if the electorate rises up with the Dems sniff control but even then they get snuffed out by the one two punch of SCOTUS and the following Republican sweep and full control again.  That's the BEST POSSIBLE outcome for Dems. 

Likely outcomes are much worse. hell, even that best possible outcome has the country careening off the cliff when the Republicans have control because the Dems can't do the square root of jack shit to stop them.

['stache 21591]

21 hours ago, Sawbonz said:

The power of the purse is the biggest hammer any of the branches wield. Congress is too chickenshit to use it.

The Senate is dominated by small red states who love this SCOTUS, so yeah, they'll never do anything to stop them and are chickenshit in many respects. 

[Sawbonz 26904]

3 minutes ago, 'stache said:

The Senate is dominated by small red states who love this SCOTUS, so yeah, they'll never do anything to stop them and are chickenshit in many respects. 

The house could do it by themselves. Would require at least a partial shutdown of govt and they will never do that because they care more about getting re-elected than anything else

[The Hot Dog Buffet 1262]

On 7/11/2022 at 10:41 AM, Js1 said:

Yep.  Obama's approval rating when he lost the House - 44/48.  By Election Day - 52/45

Bill's approval when the 1994 Revolution happened - 46/46.  By Election Day - 58/35

Trump's approval when the Dems retook the House - 38/56.  By Election Day - 43/55 (AND ALMOST WON)

 

2 years is the longest time in politics. 

 

You keep saying Trump almost won, but the election wasn't really all that close. 

[Js1 83685]

9 minutes ago, The Hot Dog Buffet said:

You keep saying Trump almost won, but the election wasn't really all that close. 

Yeah it was. As close as 2016. Both could have easily gone the opposite way 

[The Hot Dog Buffet 1262]

6 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Yeah it was. As close as 2016. Both could have easily gone the opposite way 

In both elections, multiple close states would have needed to go the other way. 

[Biff Tannen 45228]

1 hour ago, The Hot Dog Buffet said:

In both elections, multiple close states would have needed to go the other way. 

It was like 40,000 votes among 3 states or something.  It was close.

[DigglerontheHoof 20600]

33 minutes ago, The Hot Dog Buffet said:

You keep saying Trump almost won, but the election wasn't really all that close. 

If the winner was declared by popular vote and not electoral vote, you'd be right.  But as Biff and Js pointed out...way too fucking close for comfort. 

[gmr548 16316]

You keep saying Trump almost won, but the election wasn't really all that close. 

It was in the sense that our elections are decided by the electoral college, and about 45k votes out of 158.3mm, or 0.028% of the national electorate, across three swing states were what separated this country from a second Trump term.

[Horn Under a Bad Sign 20304]

Why it REALLY matters that a sitting supreme court justice is sleeping with a bonkers Q conspiracist:



https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2022/03/why-you-should-care-that-ginni-thomas-is-bonkers/


 

[Willfully Horn 7892]

24 minutes ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

Why it REALLY matters that a sitting supreme court justice is sleeping with a bonkers Q conspiracist:



https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2022/03/why-you-should-care-that-ginni-thomas-is-bonkers/


 

“In war there are no rules.”

Uh, no. Unless you’ve gone guano. Like Putin.

[Cousin Strawberry 1258]

22 hours ago, gmr548 said:

It was in the sense that our elections are decided by the electoral college, and about 45k votes out of 158.3mm, or 0.028% of the national electorate, across three swing states were what separated this country from a second Trump term.

Sorry if this point was made prior. This is point of this decision.  Eliminating the right to privacy from the constitution is going to embolden the legislatures in those states to go after same sex marriage, contraception, homosexual sex etc.  I believe this court, when asked, will certainly overturn the existing precedent on all of these issues.  They want to make it criminal for certain groups of people to live there. A lot of blue people will flee to already blue states. No longer a chance of it being a swing state. Now its just a red state. The blue refugees will not increase the populations in their new state enough to increase electoral votes.

 

Abortion wasn't the real target. It was just the first step to guaranteeing that one party will control congress and the Oval Office for eternity.

 

 

[Cousin Strawberry 1258]

4 hours ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

Why it REALLY matters that a sitting supreme court justice is sleeping with a bonkers Q conspiracist:



https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2022/03/why-you-should-care-that-ginni-thomas-is-bonkers/


 

Has it been discussed that Ginni Thomas was in the Lifespring cult in the 80's?  She is pant-shitting hobo crazy.

[Biff Tannen 45228]

5 hours ago, Cousin Strawberry said:

Sorry if this point was made prior. This is point of this decision.  Eliminating the right to privacy from the constitution is going to embolden the legislatures in those states to go after same sex marriage, contraception, homosexual sex etc.  I believe this court, when asked, will certainly overturn the existing precedent on all of these issues.  They want to make it criminal for certain groups of people to live there. A lot of blue people will flee to already blue states. No longer a chance of it being a swing state. Now its just a red state. The blue refugees will not increase the populations in their new state enough to increase electoral votes.

 

Abortion wasn't the real target. It was just the first step to guaranteeing that one party will control congress and the Oval Office for eternity.

 

 

This is a decent theory.  I think that if this were to occur, the country would dissolve.  Maybe that's ultimately the best outcome.  Let the fascist insane people live in their own fascist insane country.

[Cousin Strawberry 1258]

1 hour ago, Biff Tannen said:

This is a decent theory.  I think that if this were to occur, the country would dissolve.  Maybe that's ultimately the best outcome.  Let the fascist insane people live in their own fascist insane country.

what does the country dissolving entail?

[Biff Tannen 45228]

1 hour ago, Cousin Strawberry said:

what does the country dissolving entail?

The states no longer being united, I suppose.

[Cousin Strawberry 1258]

1 hour ago, Biff Tannen said:

This is a decent theory.  I think that if this were to occur, the country would dissolve.  Maybe that's ultimately the best outcome.  Let the fascist insane people live in their own fascist insane country.

Wife has been out of town for the week, so I have had the opportunity to have some tequila soaked reflection.  I truly believe that this is the path forward for republicans.  Thomas will 100% vote to overturn Loving. He lives in Virginia, a blue state but he will make damn sure that Georgia, North Carolina and every other state can outlaw interracial-marriage and force every gay, lesbian and interracial couples to leave the those states. He is a complete piece of shit.

[jimmyjazz 45212]

Disregarding the utter lunacy of a split with no geographical continuity, I'd love to see the red states try to deal with the economics of losing California, New York, Illinois, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Georgia, Washington, etc.  Oil & gas would be the main leverage, and to a lesser extent, farming.

It's beyond a non-starter.  Ain't gonna happen.

[Biff Tannen 45228]

10 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Disregarding the utter lunacy of a split with no geographical continuity, I'd love to see the red states try to deal with the economics of losing California, New York, Illinois, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Georgia, Washington, etc.  Oil & gas would be the main leverage, and to a lesser extent, farming.

It's beyond a non-starter.  Ain't gonna happen.

Have you been watching what’s happening in college football lately?

[Fudge Nuggets 19001]

There was a survey that showed 30% of voters in red states said they would be better off if their state left the USA.  My thought was, fucking go for it assholes.

That would be about the only way my employer would wake up and realize tax breaks ain't everything.

[SKJ 1298]

4 hours ago, Cousin Strawberry said:

Wife has been out of town for the week, so I have had the opportunity to have some tequila soaked reflection.  I truly believe that this is the path forward for republicans.  Thomas will 100% vote to overturn Loving. He lives in Virginia, a blue state but he will make damn sure that Georgia, North Carolina and every other state can outlaw interracial-marriage and force every gay, lesbian and interracial couples to leave the those states. He is a complete piece of shit.

Well,  it is known that he's uncle Thom,  or rather,  uncle ruckus...

He literally hates the color of his own skin... uncle Clarence Thomas Ruckus, Supreme Court justice... house man for the great,  white man,  that takes care of his people

[Js1 83685]

10 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

Disregarding the utter lunacy of a split with no geographical continuity, I'd love to see the red states try to deal with the economics of losing California, New York, Illinois, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Georgia, Washington, etc.  Oil & gas would be the main leverage, and to a lesser extent, farming.

It's beyond a non-starter.  Ain't gonna happen.

It won’t, but it needs to. 

[Cousin Strawberry 1258]

Here we go.

 

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[Aqua Buddha 14260]

12 hours ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

There was a survey that showed 30% of voters in red states said they would be better off if their state left the USA.  My thought was, fucking go for it assholes.

That would be about the only way my employer would wake up and realize tax breaks ain't everything.

The US would also be better if their states left.

[tx 3 putt 75571]

1 hour ago, Cousin Strawberry said:

Here we go.

 

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Please go back to Canada. love how he picks and chooses when the court is over reaching 

 

Edited July 16, 2022 by tx 3 putt

[tx 3 putt 75571]

13 hours ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

There was a survey that showed 30% of voters in red states said they would be better off if their state left the USA.  My thought was, fucking go for it assholes.

That would be about the only way my employer would wake up and realize tax breaks ain't everything.

harris county would never leave the US, let Texas leave without Austin, dfw, Houston, El Paso 

[CooterBrown 17762]

Disregarding the utter lunacy of a split with no geographical continuity, I'd love to see the red states try to deal with the economics of losing California, New York, Illinois, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Georgia, Washington, etc.  Oil & gas would be the main leverage, and to a lesser extent, farming.
It's beyond a non-starter.  Ain't gonna happen.

California produces like 80% of US produce and fruit. Good luck with your famine, red states.

[tx 3 putt 75571]

20 minutes ago, CooterBrown said:

California produces like 80% of US produce and fruit. Good luck with your famine, red states.

Eat leaf soup out of their maga caps !

[Biff Tannen 45228]

1 hour ago, tx 3 putt said:

Eat leaf soup out of their maga caps !

Man, does someone have a screen shot of that?

[jimmyjazz 45212]

1 hour ago, CooterBrown said:

California produces like 80% of US produce and fruit. Good luck with your famine, red states.

I recall 30%, but regardless, it's a big number.

[Fudge Nuggets 19001]

2 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

harris county would never leave the US, let Texas leave without Austin, dfw, Houston, El Paso 

You want to get rid of San Antonio that badly?

[Nivek 16691]

The funniest part is they think the blue states are being propped up by the red states.

[NWBuck 8534]

8 hours ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

You want to get rid of San Antonio that badly?

Maybe he's Charles Barkley?

[Bookman 4594]

Would you really miss Alabama? Mississippi? Arkansas?

[Bama Chick 28595]

Fuck off with this line of thinking.

Y’all realize Texas would be first on the list of “GTFO states” for blue states, yes?

And despite the ruby red status of places like Alabama and Mississippi, there’s still 40% of us who hate our overall voting patterns.

Not to mention that the percentage of Black residents is higher in these states than almost any blue state.

And a lot of us in that 40% don’t have the means or privilege to just pick up and move.

I get the sentiment but as a blue dot in a red state it gets real tiring to listen to our supposed allies writing us off to be sacrificed.

At least Alabama elected Doug Jones in the last few years.

When’s the last time a Texas Democrat won a statewide election?

[jimmyjazz 45212]

Well, for starters, those of us who lean blue and live in Texas fully understand we'd need to leave, so the rest of your screed doesn't really apply to us.

[Anastasis 23215]

LOL at the notion of leaving Austin cause you couldn't stand the politics of Texas. 

[jimmyjazz 45212]

1 minute ago, Anastasis said:

LOL at the notion of leaving Austin cause you couldn't stand the politics of Texas. 

If Texas were not part of the US?

News flash:  we're leaving Austin and Texas regardless of any secession.  Fuck this place.

[Hmbre97 6264]

LOL at the notion of leaving Austin cause you couldn't stand the politics of Texas. 

State laws totally don't apply in Austin...

Fucking idiot

[Anastasis 23215]

Just now, jimmyjazz said:

News flash:  we're leaving Austin and Texas regardless of any secession.  Fuck this place.

Fuck TCAD. Now is the time to pull the trigger if you can do it.  I'm locked in for at least another decade. 

[Anastasis 23215]

1 minute ago, Hmbre97 said:

State laws totally don't apply in Austin...

Fucking idiot

LOL.  Texas Lege goes out of their way to make laws to keep some of the buffoonery of Austin in check.  

[Anastasis 23215]

I'll grant you the abortion issue, but otherwise if you are driving around Austin perseverating on how bad the Texas Lege is making your life you spend your time a bit different than me I guess. 

[Bama Chick 28595]

Well, for starters, those of us who lean blue and live in Texas fully understand we'd need to leave, so the rest of your screed doesn't really apply to us.

Screed, huh?

Good to know you’d have the means to leave.

If leaving means becoming a refugee living in tents in California or New York and being treated like such, how much better is that?

I’m sure all the poor Black folks in Mississippi and Alabama and Louisiana would love to be able to blithely debate the merits of purchasing $500,000 worth of property in Portugal or Spain.

As much as I appreciate the motivation behind the Texpatriates thread, it’s absolutely infuriating to read.

I’d love to pick up my life and move to NYC or Seattle or San Diego or wherever.

Problem is, I don’t have the economic ability to do so.

And the majority of Texans who feel the same way you don’t either. This board skews very white and rich and out of touch with the majority of Democratic voters.

Sometimes it’s really obvious that most of y’all were former republicans and these discussions are illustrative of that.

Y’all really want to effect real electoral change? Move to purple states and make your vote and politics count.

[Brisketexan 103657]

I'll grant you the abortion issue, but otherwise if you are driving around Austin perseverating on how bad the Texas Lege is making your life you spend your time a bit different than me I guess. 

What if you were driving around Austin in February 2021 in the freezing dark because of the electric grid designed exactly according to the GOP wet-dream called SB-7? I mean, I guess you caught a break, being that the freeze also gave your kids an unscheduled break from attending an underfunded AISD that sends a huge chunk of its funding to the state because the state govt has steadfastly refused to attend to education for decades. Or maybe you pondered getting back some of your tuition from UT - which skyrocketed as the state slashed higher ed support - since they cancelled classes too. Or maybe it was just a regular day, and you wondered if our state leadership’s unrelenting demonization of brown people was going to lead to another El Paso Walmart-type shooting, except this time, at the heavily Hispanic HEB on north Lamar that you like to shop at.
The state is a GOP wet-dream shitshow, and that includes Austin. The fact that Austin leadership regularly adds a schmear of additional bad leadership on top doesn’t change that.

[Brisketexan 103657]

Screed, huh?

Good to know you’d have the means to leave.

If leaving means becoming a refugee living in tents in California or New York and being treated like such, how much better is that?

I’m sure all the poor Black folks in Mississippi and Alabama and Louisiana would love to be able to blithely debate the merits of purchasing $500,000 worth of property in Portugal or Spain.

As much as I appreciate the motivation behind the Texpatriates thread, it’s absolutely infuriating to read.

I’d love to pick up my life and move to NYC or Seattle or San Diego or wherever.

Problem is, I don’t have the economic ability to do so.

And the majority of Texans who feel the same way you don’t either. This board skews very white and rich and out of touch with the majority of Democratic voters.

Sometimes it’s really obvious that most of y’all were former republicans and these discussions are illustrative of that.

Y’all really want to effect real electoral change? Move to purple states and make your vote and politics count.

Or, we’ve just realized that the GQP hellscape ethos of “every man for himself” has won, completely and totally, and we’re gonna play by the rules as they’ve been set.
I never wanted those rules. I’ve fought and yelled like hell against them for well over a decade. It has done no good. It’s only gotten worse. The rules have been set. Flee if you can. Shit, flee even if you can’t.
They’ve won. If you live someplace where they govern, your life is only going to become more hellish. You should run, however you can.

[jimmyjazz 45212]

9 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

Sometimes it’s really obvious that most of y’all were former republicans and these discussions are illustrative of that.

Holy out of touch batballs, 'bama.  That's the first time it's been implied that I might be anything close to a former Republican.

 

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Y’all really want to effect real electoral change? Move to purple states and make your vote and politics count.

What in the fuck do you think I'm talking about doing?

[ChiTownDoc 20907]

29 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

Screed, huh?

Good to know you’d have the means to leave.

If leaving means becoming a refugee living in tents in California or New York and being treated like such, how much better is that?

I’m sure all the poor Black folks in Mississippi and Alabama and Louisiana would love to be able to blithely debate the merits of purchasing $500,000 worth of property in Portugal or Spain.

As much as I appreciate the motivation behind the Texpatriates thread, it’s absolutely infuriating to read.

I’d love to pick up my life and move to NYC or Seattle or San Diego or wherever.

Problem is, I don’t have the economic ability to do so.

And the majority of Texans who feel the same way you don’t either. This board skews very white and rich and out of touch with the majority of Democratic voters.

Sometimes it’s really obvious that most of y’all were former republicans and these discussions are illustrative of that.

Y’all really want to effect real electoral change? Move to purple states and make your vote and politics count.

Don't worry, once 'poor' democratic hellholes like Chicago stop sending their money to dipshits in DC we'll be much better off and be able to offer plenty to refugees who want to come out this way.  Also, climate change has made things much better here.  From the little I know about your background, you'll have no trouble finding a good job. 

Nobody says it's going to be a picnic leaving these dead weight states behind.  If it gets to that, we need to call their bluff and let them be.  Texas will be fine but that's certainly the exception.  Most red states would be dead in the water without all that government assistance they love to shit on. 

[Beantown Express 2.0 6529]

45 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

Screed, huh?

Good to know you’d have the means to leave.

If leaving means becoming a refugee living in tents in California or New York and being treated like such, how much better is that?

I’m sure all the poor Black folks in Mississippi and Alabama and Louisiana would love to be able to blithely debate the merits of purchasing $500,000 worth of property in Portugal or Spain.

As much as I appreciate the motivation behind the Texpatriates thread, it’s absolutely infuriating to read.

I’d love to pick up my life and move to NYC or Seattle or San Diego or wherever.

Problem is, I don’t have the economic ability to do so.

And the majority of Texans who feel the same way you don’t either. This board skews very white and rich and out of touch with the majority of Democratic voters.

Sometimes it’s really obvious that most of y’all were former republicans and these discussions are illustrative of that.

Y’all really want to effect real electoral change? Move to purple states and make your vote and politics count.

You are missing the long game for the Republican politicians in states like MS, AL, etc… Once they bring back slavery then they will have plenty of people to choose from for that.  

[Brisketexan 103657]

You are missing the long game for the Republican politicians in states like MS, AL, etc… Once they bring back slavery then they will have plenty of people to choose from for that.  

Just remember….today’s hyperbole is tomorrow’s fact.

When the economic engine states are separated from the MAGAland southern states, those MAGA states will be in dire economic straits. In response to “the unwarranted economic aggression and separation” of the blue states, MAGAland “will be left with no choice but to implement strict required labor statutes in order to preserve their economic independence” or some such shit.

Remember the rules of this timeline: it only gets worse, and there is no bottom.

[Bama Chick 28595]

Don't worry, once 'poor' democratic hellholes like Chicago stop sending their money to dipshits in DC we'll be much better off and be able to offer plenty to refugees who want to come out this way.  Also, climate change has made things much better here.  From the little I know about your background, you'll have no trouble finding a good job. 
Nobody says it's going to be a picnic leaving these dead weight states behind.  If it gets to that, we need to call their bluff and let them be.  Texas will be fine but that's certainly the exception.  Most red states would be dead in the water without all that government assistance they love to shit on. 

You need a Marketing VP with a Master’s degree and 25 years of experience in healthcare?