The Supremes

[956 Worldwide 34400]

8 hours ago, YGIFS said:

The senior/flag officers don't pledge an oath to case law precedent---even from SCOTUS, they pledge it to the Constitution.  The vast majority of them will honor that oath and refuse to operate within our borders for non-defensive purposes.  

The real shitshow begins when the minority of senior/flag officers operate under an Executive Order that indicates persons of color, undocumented residents, LBGTQ+, Muslims, recent Asian immigrants, et. al to be removed or encamped; and our Armed Forces goes to war with itself.  On our own soil.  We are going to fix it so we suffocate ourselves and then blame the "different" people for forcing our hand.  And that's when the citizen 'militias' emerge, to support the "National Defense" and we have military-on-citizenry violence on U.S. grass.  This how it begins,  the battle theater could be gamed out in weeks, not months. 

There are only two ways out of this---get the middle 25mm Trump voters to have a substantial portion of that stay home in November out of disgust, or have him die.  The third option, is far more grim.  Arrange it so they go to war with one another on our lands, and watch unimaginable innocent Americans die in the conflict.  While our enemies laugh and laugh, without having fired a round. 

All officers swear to defend the constitution, so do lots of civilians. If we are at the stage where it’s “we can trust the military and feds to be ethical” then it’s over. 
 

We are cooked, presidential republic bros.  The revolution was a mistake.  The Brits have a sovereign with full immunity but no power and all their political leaders can actually be held responsible.  This year Biden needs to call Charles and offer to come back. Hand over a few of the most incorrigible rebels to be locked in the tower in exchange for representation in parliament and a couple decades where the sovereign can order a reelection if we choose any unacceptable ministers. 

[Goofyboy 3191]

Biden doesn’t have to do anything right now other than campaign on this and abortion. If he happens to lose in November, then he can go King Biden and throw out the results, etc etc etc.

[Hookah Horns 3071]

I'm in disbelief. I was sure even this radical, worst of all time SCOTUS wouldn't go this far. We are doomed. Conservatives have finally flipped the playing board over. It's all over but the shooting. That'll be fun. Bump stocks are back too. 

[HenryJames 65884]

55 minutes ago, Hookah Horns said:

Conservatives have finally flipped the playing board over.

These people aren't conservatives.

['stache 21744]

8 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:

It's almost like it's on purpose.

You realize that the voters are very different, right? Trump says he’ll jail lawmakers he doesn’t like, republican voters say great, what strength. Biden says he’ll pack the court, dem voters will cry dictator. It’s the massive downside of the left that most (or at least half) of their traditional voters actually give a fuck. The other side are sheep who just nod along with literally anything their dear leaders say. How do you propose convincing those people to do the same? I personally hate the idea of court packing but you have to dig pretty deep into what has happened the last 8 years and I now support it for those reasons. Tons of people don’t pay that close of attention and will be turned off by that proposal, the same people who probably haven’t heard trumps proposals or don’t think they’re as serious as they truly are at this point.

[troph 24559]

7 minutes ago, 'stache said:

You realize that the voters are very different, right? Trump says he’ll jail lawmakers he doesn’t like, republican voters say great, what strength. Biden says he’ll pack the court, dem voters will cry dictator. It’s the massive downside of the left that most (or at least half) of their traditional voters actually give a fuck. The other side are sheep who just nod along with literally anything their dear leaders say. How do you propose convincing those people to do the same? I personally hate the idea of court packing but you have to dig pretty deep into what has happened the last 8 years and I now support it for those reasons. Tons of people don’t pay that close of attention and will be turned off by that proposal, the same people who probably haven’t heard trumps proposals or don’t think they’re as serious as they truly are at this point.

I was awake at 3am thinking about judicial impeachments too, I don’t like the idea I don’t like packing the court but what is left for us to do? 
 

this court has given the Johnny cash middle finger to stare decisis.  The notion that the court can just do whatever it wants is now here. Is that ok?

republican voters don’t even realize this court is against them too. 
 

 

Edited July 2 by troph

[RomaVicta 29769]

9 hours ago, immamac said:

Dem strategy is so bad it's incredible 

I'm no apologist for how the Dems fuck things up, but what is the winning move here? What would it have been 20 years ago?

Before it became apparent to me that the GOP was a criminal organization operating with regard for neither law nor the future of the republic, we were all operating in ignorance of the paradigm shift that was already occurring. Even now, when that paradigm change has occured, most people remain blind to it including, as I begin to tiresomely opine, the free press.

If we are operating outside of the law, that leaves us with natural law. Legislators are not equipped for that. A political party operating with any level of responsibility is not designed for that. They hold the hopeless belief that exposure of wickedness will lead to destrucion of same. No more.

I watched the House hearing on Jan 6. Information could not have been laid out any clearer. Those in GOP/MAGA jersies will never turn on their own team. No mater what. Argument don't work around here no more.

I honestly can't think of a political strategy for dealing with the fascist rise. Legal strategies are going over the side as well when the Supreme Court is in the bag.

It's natural law, but we're all too fat and happy to do much about it.

Comfortably numb. Bad luck for the queens and the coons and the Reds and the Jews (Pink Floyd).

Edited July 2 by RomaVicta

[troph 24559]

5 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

“We believe the alternate slate of electors was an official act of the presidency.” 
 

that needs to be put on blast. 

[Captainant 27398]

12 minutes ago, troph said:

this court has given the Johnny cash middle finger to stare decisis.  The notion that the court can just do whatever it wants is now here. Is that ok?

republican voters don’t even realize this court is against them too. 

The republican voters want to vote to give more wealth and power to the oligarch class, therefore their interests are aligned with the Imperial Court

[tchookem 3900]

Biden doesn’t have to do anything right now other than campaign on this and abortion. If he happens to lose in November, then he can go King Biden and throw out the results, etc etc etc.

The 3 dissenting justices need to be campaigning on this. Maybe not going on the trail or making endorsements. But they can definitely speak out on the dangers of an unlimited government. They can definitely discuss their dissent in this case. If Sotomayor genuinely does see this as an attack on democracy, and democracy is worth fighting for, then increasing their visibility is a way for them to get in the fight.

[TwiceHorn 31237]

10 hours ago, troph said:

This, roe, chevron, the prior EPA case (this court), citizens united, are all recent really bad cases. Only citizens united was not this court.  If we survive this the Roberts court will go down as one of the worst. And it’s been  only 3-4 years.

 

The Major Questions doctrine is nasty as fuck.  Much bigger threat to agencies than Chevron/no Chevron.

Also stewing overnight on the other bad acts question, that's really bad.  Immunity does not mean that the acts in question weren't criminal or otherwise deserving of liability -- it actually assumes that they are -- but other considerations mean that liability will not attach.  They're still bad acts and deserve consideration in other cases where immunity does not apply, in accordance with Rule 404.

 

 

[wildcat09 29213]

4 minutes ago, tchookem said:

1 hour ago, Goofyboy said:

Biden doesn’t have to do anything right now other than campaign on this and abortion. If he happens to lose in November, then he can go King Biden and throw out the results, etc etc etc.

The 3 dissenting justices need to be campaigning on this. Maybe not going on the trail or making endorsements. But they can definitely speak out on the dangers of an unlimited government. They can definitely discuss their dissent in this case. If Sotomayor genuinely does see this as an attack on democracy, and democracy is worth fighting for, then increasing their visibility is a way for them to get in the fight.

One thing I'm fucking furious about right now is why in the fuck did the dissenters here change their dissent to a concurrence on the Colorado ballot case if this is what we were going to get in this one? 

[TexPx 2309]

“We believe the alternate slate of electors was an official act of the presidency.” 
 
that needs to be put on blast. 

Justice Samuel Alito observed that if the popular vote is close, the possibility of "changing just a few votes" in the Electoral College would rationally "prompt the losing party ... to launch a massive campaign to try to influence electors, and there would be a long period of uncertainty about who the next president was going to be."

Gosh Sam, ya think?

https://www.npr.org/2020/07/06/885168480/supreme-court-rules-state-faithless-elector-laws-constitutional

[immamac 42513]

How would you even fix this with a new constitutional amendment? I mean is the whole thing just fucked now? 

[Captainant 27398]

12 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Also stewing overnight on the other bad acts question, that's really bad.  Immunity does not mean that the acts in question weren't criminal or otherwise deserving of liability -- it actually assumes that they are -- but other considerations mean that liability will not attach.  They're still bad acts and deserve consideration in other cases where immunity does not apply, in accordance with Rule 404.

More importantly, the Imperial Court has given trumpco ever more arrows in its quiver to delaydelaydelay any sort of possible accountability for the crime that was broadcast on national television. They're adding more rules and qualifiers to a pretty fuckin cut and dry issue, solely for the benefit of one donald jail trump

[956 Worldwide 34400]

4 minutes ago, immamac said:

How would you even fix this with a new constitutional amendment? I mean is the whole thing just fucked now? 

There is no fixing this.  Look, I’ve got well over a decade of experience around the world with political systems and how they work and don’t work.  I can’t suggest that there are not better and worse ways to organize a government— there certainly are.  There are laws that are better written and worse written and systems more open or less open to exploration.

But you cannot law or politic your way out of the problem of malign actors with significant support. Our system is designed to restrain political actors and electorates with good intentions from going too far.  It is not designed to defeat bad-intentioned political actors and electorates. 
 

Why didn’t Britain go fascist during the War? It wasn’t their ancient institutions or laws.  It was the simple fact that the British people did not want to be fascist.  They could be many things— imperialist, bigoted, stubborn, pompous— but fascism wasn’t in the cards.  
 

Nothing can save a country from people who have given up on good intentions. 

[troph 24559]

Dream campaign: 

1. constitutional amendment to abolish the electoral college and elect the president and vice president by popular vote.

2. Codify the right to chose with no questions asked early abortion (before age of viability), health and safety of the mother and viability of the fetus after that with immunity for doctors acting in good faith. Also repeal Dobbs see  4 below.

3. Pack the court to 15 to ensure radical shifts from left to right and right to left nearly impossible.

4. Promise to appoint justices that will undue blatant disrespect to stare decisis and undue the last four years of garbage decisions. Then have them do it over 2-3 years.

5. Revamp impeachment rules and eligibility rules judges. 

6. codify abuse of power, obstruction of justice and misuse of the DOJ along with clear language there is not absolute presidential immunity - do this with a constitutional amendment if necessary.

7. Expand EPA powers to include regulation of greenhouse gasses and fund $500 billion or more per year on climate change initiatives for the next 20 years. Time to fucking go.

8. pass the equality act making LGBTQ people full class citizens (note reproductive status and veteran status are also included in that language).

9. Modernize voting rights act to ensure all citizens have an easy path to vote and end political and racial gerrymandering. 

10. Term limits for congress. 6 terms / 12 years for congressmen and women, 4 terms / 24 years for senators. 
 

Edited July 2 by troph
Age of viability not first trimester

[956 Worldwide 34400]

2 minutes ago, troph said:

Dream campaign: 

1. constitutional amendment to abolish the electoral college and elect the president and vice president by popular vote.

2. Codify the right to chose with no questions asked early abortion (before end of first trimester), health and safety of the mother and viability of the fetus after that with immunity for doctors acting in good faith. Also repeal Dobbs see  4 below.

3. Pack the court to 15 to ensure radical shifts from left to right and right to left nearly impossible.

4. Promise to appoint justices that will undue blatant disrespect to stare decisis and undue the last four years of garbage decisions. Then have them do it over 2-3 years.

5. Revamp impeachment rules and eligibility rules judges. 

6. codify abuse of power, obstruction of justice and misuse of the DOJ along with clear language there is not absolute presidential immunity - do this with a constitutional amendment if necessary.

7. Expand EPA powers to include regulation of greenhouse gasses and fund $500 billion or more per year on climate change initiatives for the next 20 years. Time to fucking go.

8. pass the equality act making LGBTQ people full class citizens (note reproductive status and veteran status are also included in that language).

9. Modernize voting rights act to ensure all citizens have an easy path to vote and end political and racial gerrymandering. 

10. Term limits for congress. 6 terms / 12 years for congressmen and women, 4 terms / 24 years for senators. 

I am on board with most of this but completely against the last point as I have argued multiple times here.  We limit POTUS because of the extraordinary power that office holds but it is anti-democratic and weakens the legislature to introduce term LM limits.

The single best check we have on unfettered executive power and unhinged extremism will always be long-serving legislators who are insulated from pressure due to their base of support in home districts.  It is a feature and not a bug that they can dig in against the executive and party leadership. 

[David Dennison 18646]

5 minutes ago, troph said:

Dream campaign: 

1. constitutional amendment to abolish the electoral college and elect the president and vice president by popular vote.

2. Codify the right to chose with no questions asked early abortion (before end of first trimester), health and safety of the mother and viability of the fetus after that with immunity for doctors acting in good faith. Also repeal Dobbs see  4 below.

3. Pack the court to 15 to ensure radical shifts from left to right and right to left nearly impossible.

4. Promise to appoint justices that will undue blatant disrespect to stare decisis and undue the last four years of garbage decisions. Then have them do it over 2-3 years.

5. Revamp impeachment rules and eligibility rules judges. 

6. codify abuse of power, obstruction of justice and misuse of the DOJ along with clear language there is not absolute presidential immunity - do this with a constitutional amendment if necessary.

7. Expand EPA powers to include regulation of greenhouse gasses and fund $500 billion or more per year on climate change initiatives for the next 20 years. Time to fucking go.

8. pass the equality act making LGBTQ people full class citizens (note reproductive status and veteran status are also included in that language).

9. Modernize voting rights act to ensure all citizens have an easy path to vote and end political and racial gerrymandering. 

10. Term limits for congress. 6 terms / 12 years for congressmen and women, 4 terms / 24 years for senators. 

Pick the top three to run on and get to work. The rest can go in the party platform.

[immamac 42513]

10 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

There is no fixing this.  Look, I’ve got well over a decade of experience around the world with political systems and how they work and don’t work.  I can’t suggest that there are not better and worse ways to organize a government— there certainly are.  There are laws that are better written and worse written and systems more open or less open to exploration.

But you cannot law or politic your way out of the problem of malign actors with significant support. Our system is designed to restrain political actors and electorates with good intentions from going too far.  It is not designed to defeat bad-intentioned political actors and electorates. 
 

Why didn’t Britain go fascist during the War? It wasn’t their ancient institutions or laws.  It was the simple fact that the British people did not want to be fascist.  They could be many things— imperialist, bigoted, stubborn, pompous— but fascism wasn’t in the cards.  
 

Nothing can save a country from people who have given up on good intentions. 

This is just wrong. Most people here aren't fucked. They are checked out. They are placated and fed lies by a completely unchecked technology medium that has been a massive destructive force for cognitive function and reasoning. 

When you force people to think about and talk through how they feel about these things they don't want a dictator, they want to be left the fuck alone. They don't realize that their apathy and unwillingness to participate is making their life actively worse. 

[956 Worldwide 34400]

Everything you just wrote describes 21st century Russian society—- “the good Russians,” no less— perfectly.  Do you think most of them love Putin and get hard for beating up protestors and jailing gay people? No— they just want to be left alone and will go along to get along. 

[troph 24559]

28 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

The Major Questions doctrine is nasty as fuck.  Much bigger threat to agencies than Chevron/no Chevron.

Also stewing overnight on the other bad acts question, that's really bad.  Immunity does not mean that the acts in question weren't criminal or otherwise deserving of liability -- it actually assumes that they are -- but other considerations mean that liability will not attach.  They're still bad acts and deserve consideration in other cases where immunity does not apply, in accordance with Rule 404.

 

 

I have no problem with immunity for prosecution let’s say for GWB and war crimes - he sought legal counsel, got it, right or wrong, forced or unforced he relied on legal advice. Torture is criminal, a violation of international law but I would say he is immune. That’s an egregious example too. That analysis was (pun intended) tortured. 
 

immunity from prosecution should not apply to criminal acts where POTUS knows it’s criminal, takes the criminal act anyway, and there is clear evidence of both. 
 

this decision says illegality is relevant, motive is irrelevant, evidence of the illegality is irrelevant. 
 

you are saying illegality is irrelevant but my response is standing alone, fine. GWB executive orders re torture were criminal. But at least from the surface his motive was to follow the law and he did not know his acts were criminal hence the request for and following a legal opinion from White House counsel. His motives make him fully immune in that case.

here we have multiple criminal acts, legal advice telling Trump it’s illegal, motives clear to violate the law, and pristine evidence of his violations of criminal statutes. 

immunity should protect GWB here and not trump. 

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19092]

18 minutes ago, troph said:

Dream campaign: 

1. constitutional amendment to abolish the electoral college and elect the president and vice president by popular vote.

2. Codify the right to chose with no questions asked early abortion (before end of first trimester), health and safety of the mother and viability of the fetus after that with immunity for doctors acting in good faith. Also repeal Dobbs see  4 below.

3. Pack the court to 15 to ensure radical shifts from left to right and right to left nearly impossible.

4. Promise to appoint justices that will undue blatant disrespect to stare decisis and undue the last four years of garbage decisions. Then have them do it over 2-3 years.

5. Revamp impeachment rules and eligibility rules judges. 

6. codify abuse of power, obstruction of justice and misuse of the DOJ along with clear language there is not absolute presidential immunity - do this with a constitutional amendment if necessary.

7. Expand EPA powers to include regulation of greenhouse gasses and fund $500 billion or more per year on climate change initiatives for the next 20 years. Time to fucking go.

8. pass the equality act making LGBTQ people full class citizens (note reproductive status and veteran status are also included in that language).

9. Modernize voting rights act to ensure all citizens have an easy path to vote and end political and racial gerrymandering. 

10. Term limits for congress. 6 terms / 12 years for congressmen and women, 4 terms / 24 years for senators. 

Fuck number 2. It should be no questions asked until 22-24 weeks.  That was the previous law of the land, and that is where it should sit. 

[troph 24559]

14 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Pick the top three to run on and get to work. The rest can go in the party platform.

Abolish electoral college, pack the court, reverse Dobbs/ codify the right to choose (see below)

troph the tranny for president. 

hi I’m troph and I approve this message.

 

Edited July 2 by troph

[troph 24559]

2 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

Fuck number 2. It should be no questions asked until 22-24 weeks.  That was the previous law of the land, and that is where it should sit. 

im good with that 100%. I honestly would say no restrictions but it seems some are required.  so I would revise to no restrictions until viability. That’s 22-24 weeks now?

ps sorry for not thinking it through I was thinking and typing too fast.

 

Edited July 2 by troph

[TwiceHorn 31237]

A better idea that reversing Dobbs, specifically, would be to specify a right of privacy, to include, without limitation, rights to make reproductive, relationship, and sexual choices among consenting adults without government interference.

[immamac 42513]

10 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Everything you just wrote describes 21st century Russian society—- “the good Russians,” no less— perfectly.  Do you think most of them love Putin and get hard for beating up protestors and jailing gay people? No— they just want to be left alone and will go along to get along. 

Russia hasn't ever been a real democracy. The people there weren't broken by technology they were broken by brutality and civil war. 

Most Russians don't even give a fuck about Russia. 

Do not compare most Americans to Russians. The amount of technological innovation that has come from the American people is unrivaled and the greed of few has turned the greatest invention of all time against its populace for the sake of power. 

[troph 24559]

1 minute ago, TwiceHorn said:

A better idea that reversing Dobbs, specifically, would be to specify a right of privacy, to include, without limitation, rights to make reproductive, relationship, and sexual choices among consenting adults without government interference.

Done. Love it. In fact we will call it the Loving Act. Now give me money for my campaign. 

Edited July 2 by troph

[Dahobbs 17420]

9 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

A better idea that reversing Dobbs, specifically, would be to specify a right of privacy, to include, without limitation, rights to make reproductive, relationship, and sexual choices among consenting adults without government interference.

The only solution that can work is multiple drone strikes. I'm sorry, but them's the facts. 

[SubliminalHorn 6670]

Love all these ideas for amendments and reforms. But they’re never gonna happen. The GQP has complete power within their grasp, they ain’t giving it up without a civil war. And that’s what’s going to happen

[troph 24559]

3 minutes ago, SubliminalHorn said:

Love all these ideas for amendments and reforms. But they’re never gonna happen. The GQP has complete power within their grasp, they ain’t giving it up without a civil war. And that’s what’s going to happen

I’m just trying to cope while I drink a cup of coffee man. Why you gotta put ice in it?

['stache 21744]

48 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

There is no fixing this.  Look, I’ve got well over a decade of experience around the world with political systems and how they work and don’t work.  I can’t suggest that there are not better and worse ways to organize a government— there certainly are.  There are laws that are better written and worse written and systems more open or less open to exploration.

But you cannot law or politic your way out of the problem of malign actors with significant support. Our system is designed to restrain political actors and electorates with good intentions from going too far.  It is not designed to defeat bad-intentioned political actors and electorates. 
 

Why didn’t Britain go fascist during the War? It wasn’t their ancient institutions or laws.  It was the simple fact that the British people did not want to be fascist.  They could be many things— imperialist, bigoted, stubborn, pompous— but fascism wasn’t in the cards.  
 

Nothing can save a country from people who have given up on good intentions. 

Yup, 80 million people will vote for a lying anti-American con-man, while the other 80 million voters are hung up about age, and a bad debate performance, and whether the US president can stop the Israeli military's actions in Gaza. They won't coalesce like the other side against real, actual fascism, because the other guy just doesn't feel 100% perfect. There's no coming back from this, the country is going to crumble within most of our lifetimes.

Edited July 2 by 'stache

[Nivek 16840]

2 hours ago, Hookah Horns said:

I'm in disbelief. I was sure even this radical, worst of all time SCOTUS wouldn't go this far. 

Why?  What reason did they give you to think there was a limit?  They heard fake cases, overturned previous rulings, took bribes, etc.  The only limit they have is what their fascist friends don't want.  

[troph 24559]

Just now, 'stache said:

Yup, 80 million people will vote for a lying anti-American con-man, while the other 80 million voters are hung up about age, and a bad debate performance, and whether the US president can stop the Israeli military's actions in Gaza. The won't coalesce like the other side against real, actual fascism, because the other guy just doesn't feel 100% perfect. There's no coming back from this, the country is going to crumble within most of our lifetimes.

The problem is where we go the rest of the western world will follow. So there’s really no where to go. 

[SubliminalHorn 6670]

1 minute ago, troph said:

I’m just trying to cope while I drink a cup of coffee man. Why you gotta put ice in it?

It’s what I do best 😘 

[Nivek 16840]

22 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

A better idea that reversing Dobbs, specifically, would be to specify a right of privacy, to include, without limitation, rights to make reproductive, relationship, and sexual choices among consenting adults without government interference.

Then lawyers will argue the margins, what is an adult, what is age of consent, state's rights....  what if my spouse identifies as a cat and uses a litter box in class, does that count?  Or whatever made up shit they can sell.

[Longhorn_Fan68 33831]

6 minutes ago, troph said:

I’m just trying to cope while I drink a cup of coffee man. Why you gotta put ice in it?

subliminal has been teetering for a while now. username does not check out.

Edited July 2 by Longhorn_Fan68

['stache 21744]

9 minutes ago, troph said:

The problem is where we go the rest of the western world will follow. So there’s really no where to go. 

I'm not so sure about that, we've been the world's sole super power for less than 100 years. When the USA falls, the balance of power will revert back to Europe with the addition of Asia. Of course, right wing fascism appears to be gaining popularity elsewhere too, so the world may very well be fucked either way. It'll be like the rise of communism last century and last for several decades until people figure shit out and start executing their overlords Ceausescu style.

[Dutchrudder 11113]

Excellent response by Biden to this decision. Maybe some of those "independents" will see it an realize the difference between the two options this November.

 

 

[956 Worldwide 34400]

42 minutes ago, immamac said:

Russia hasn't ever been a real democracy. The people there weren't broken by technology they were broken by brutality and civil war. 

Most Russians don't even give a fuck about Russia. 

Do not compare most Americans to Russians. The amount of technological innovation that has come from the American people is unrivaled and the greed of few has turned the greatest invention of all time against its populace for the sake of power. 

Technology is a tool and not an actor, the actors remain people.

It is always a mistake to say that it can’t happen here because we are different. I spent a solid chunk of the mid-2000s consolidation of Putinism in Russia and its periphery and it was not brutality that broke the Russian society, it was the illusion of normalcy and targeting of the “wrong people”— the elites, the corrupt, the opposition politicians— and the slow creep of apathy and material comfort that did them in.

The MAGA electorate’s sympathies and the rhetoric directed at it is eerily similar to Putinism, Orbanism, or for that matter Xi-thought.

Authoritarianism is like Leach’s Air Raid, it’s the same few plays run out of different formations giving the illusion of a complex system.  And the solution is always to hit the fucking QB in the mouth. 

['stache 21744]

4 minutes ago, Dutchrudder said:

Excellent response by Biden to this decision. Maybe some of those "independents" will see it an realize the difference between the two options this November.

 

 

He mumbled a little at 2:35, clearly unfit...

[SubliminalHorn 6670]

13 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

subliminal has been teetering for a while now. username does not check out.

I wish I wasn’t. I’m depressed as fuck about it all. I annoyed my husband last night when I again brought up where we are going to move/flee to. We just bought a condo last year and are building our lives. It’s goddamn sad. I wish I could be optimistic and know that we will prevail. But it’s all so hopeless right now. I’m still going vote and try and get as many people to the polls as possible.  It just feels likes it’s all in vain 

[troph 24559]

36 minutes ago, 'stache said:

I'm not so sure about that, we've been the world's sole super power for less than 100 years. When the USA falls, the balance of power will revert back to Europe with the addition of Asia. Of course, right wing fascism appears to be gaining popularity elsewhere too, so the world may very well be fucked either way. It'll be like the rise of communism last century and last for several decades until people figure shit out and start executing their overlords Ceausescu style.

I’m talking about the rise in fascism in Europe and Canada. The US is leading but they are close behind. 

[TwiceHorn 31237]

47 minutes ago, Nivek said:

Then lawyers will argue the margins, what is an adult, what is age of consent, state's rights....  what if my spouse identifies as a cat and uses a litter box in class, does that count?  Or whatever made up shit they can sell.

You don't really get lawyers do ya?

Sarcasm aside, having an explicit right of privacy is a far better place to start than something implied from the 4th Amendment concerning search, seizure, and housing soldiers.

Edited July 2 by TwiceHorn

[troph 24559]

14 minutes ago, SubliminalHorn said:

I wish I wasn’t. I’m depressed as fuck about it all. I annoyed my husband last night when I again brought up where we are going to move/flee to. We just bought a condo last year and are building our lives. It’s goddamn sad. I wish I could be optimistic and know that we will prevail. But it’s all so hopeless right now. I’m still going vote and try and get as many people to the polls as possible.  It just feels likes it’s all in vain 

My wife is annoyed with me too and we are in Colorado working and supposed to be checking out otherwise and enjoying the weather and outdoors. 

[Chuckie Finster 22597]

Due to a family vacation (and honestly a mental health break) I’ve purposefully removed myself from social media/twitter/etc for the last handful of days. My only real updates on current events have come from periodic visits to this board. The takeaways:
1) the secret to happiness is ignorance
2) it is remarkably easy to check out from all of this and not be in tune to the threats currently facing our country. I don’t know the fix, but yesterday was potentially a pivot point in the course of this country and I guarantee that the majority of Americans have absolutely no idea

[mdmost 42825]

True but that's a privilege you have that others won't be afforded. A lot of people are going to be pulled out of their myopia when the effects of the Trump 2nd term start affecting them or people they care about/claim to care about. 

[immamac 42513]

9 minutes ago, mdmost said:

True but that's a privilege you have that others won't be afforded. A lot of people are going to be pulled out of their myopia when the effects of the Trump 2nd term start affecting them or people they care about/claim to care about. 

And it will be too late then because the rot is too fucking deep to just vote people out now. This is the last time we will ever get to vote. 

[troph 24559]

13 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

Due to a family vacation (and honestly a mental health break) I’ve purposefully removed myself from social media/twitter/etc for the last handful of days. My only real updates on current events have come from periodic visits to this board. The takeaways:
1) the secret to happiness is ignorance
2) it is remarkably easy to check out from all of this and not be in tune to the threats currently facing our country. I don’t know the fix, but yesterday was potentially a pivot point in the course of this country and I guarantee that the majority of Americans have absolutely no idea

once I find a safe place, i'll do that. i did the first 2 years of the biden admin, it was great.

[Nivek 16840]

You don't really get lawyers do ya?
Sarcasm aside, having an explicit right of privacy is a far better place to start than something implied from the 4th Amendment concerning search, seizure, and housing soldiers.

I have no faith that anything is safe. And as language changes the bastardizing of the law will find fodder.

Well, outside of Churches and the elites not paying taxes.