The Supremes

[pyrohornIII 4846]

Indeed Pelosi should start pushing legislation concerning this.  Not only the rape and incest clauses, but also for reform and bolstering of programs like Planned Parenthood.  If the courts want to revisit and reform the legality of abortion, then the legislature should be looking at reforming the programs intended to support mothers of, and unwanted children.  

Start with sex education and birth control and run it all the way through setting higher standards for foster care systems in states, particularly those who outlaw abortion, like Texas.   

Make these fuckers who are so concerned about those zygotes financially accountable for their well being pre and post natal, up until they are at least 18.  Notice I said accountable, not responsible.  That means safety nets for those kids to fall back on for physical and mental health.    Picture little Marie going to her first day of school in Podunk, Texas, and already she's labeled as the kid of that slut who got raped.  Well just move then, right. Have the mom start a new life somewhere else.  Way away from family and home.  Makes tons of sense.   There is definitely a disconnect in how much we care for a fetus and how much we want to shame the fuck out of people, even the innocents.  

I maintain that most of those carrying the anti abortion banner are actually more anti-sex.  Their sex lives suck (due to a variety of reasons) and unwanted pregnancies are often the result of unprotected sex, so punish those who have sex for any other purpose that procreation.    

[Gil Bang 26240]

Outlawing gay marriage and sodomy is next. Because Jesus. How any woman can still pull a vote lever for the Rs is beyond me.

Particularly, women that like anal.

[Chuckie Finster 23079]

15 minutes ago, Poe It Up said:

Wasn’t the Politico journalist on Maddow about 5 minutes after he published the story? That doesn’t scream majority leak to me. 

The WSJ reported last week that Roberts was trying to flip one of the justices to vote against overturning Roe.  There isn't a Dem-leaning justice/clerk/janitor on the planet that would speak to the WSJ on that topic.

[Pig Bellmont 8886]

19 minutes ago, pyrohornIII said:

Indeed Pelosi should start pushing legislation concerning this. 

The House already passed a bill permitting abortion nationally, but it’s stalled in the Senate because Manchin and Sinema refuse to vote on killing the filibuster 

[David Dennison 19542]

1 minute ago, Pig Bellmont said:

The House already passed a bill permitting abortion nationally, but it’s stalled in the Senate because Manchin and Sinema refuse to vote on killing the filibuster 

Are there 50 votes even if they did get rid of the filibuster?

[Skipper 6411]

1 hour ago, South Austin said:

Maybe, maybe not.  I'm sure there's a significant number of big firms who would otherwise throw tons of money at a U.S. Supreme Court clerk but will have reservations about whether this clerk (if the leaker was a clerk and is ever outed) might ever leak attorney-client privileged documents.  Same for high profile government jobs.  Will they be working at Foot Locker?  No.  But this will narrow some of their options. 

My $$$ is definitely on a clerk.    Similar to the Ivy League douche that "publicly" either quit or turned down a 2L job last summer because his big firm represented someone he found politically distasteful.   Never underestimate the delusion of self absorbed twenty somethings or their inability to understand consequences.

[TwiceHorn 32079]

12 hours ago, Neonmoon said:

 

I find it simultaneously amusing and disturbing that for the proposition that something must be deeply rooted in history and tradition, he cites a 1997 decision to overturn a decision that predates it by a quarter century.

Edited May 3, 2022 by TwiceHorn

[crash_davis 23470]

Just now, TwiceHorn said:

I find it simultaneously amusing and disturbing that for the proposition that something must be deeply rooted in history and tradition, he cites a 1997 decision.

if the motherfucking could, he'd cite the bible.

[pyrohornIII 4846]

2 minutes ago, Pig Bellmont said:

The House already passed a bill permitting abortion nationally, but it’s stalled in the Senate because Manchin and Sinema refuse to vote on killing the filibuster 

I understand that.  I mean that if the Republicans are dead set on doing away with abortion, then they should be willing to stand up and pay for the consequences, and not just stand on the abstinence bully pulpit.  It's not so much legislation to legalize abortion, but to set up a system that hopefully would reduce unwanted pregnancies and provide better for those children and mothers who have to go through it.  

[Macanudo 13327]

2 hours ago, Bateshorn said:

Yeah, his time of being acceptable in NW DC social circles is already significantly narrowed. I know he no longer eats and drinks at his favorite hangouts on Connecticut Ave and mostly posts up at the Chevy Chase Country club.  This decision will effectively close his family’s  life as normal DC residents. 

You really think that?   Do Mitch. Ted, Lindsey, Josh or Rand have a hard time out in public?

[tx 3 putt 78679]

18 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

Particularly, women that like anal.

 

that's a PAC I can get behind !

[Mo Horn 8938]

Watch out, Collins may be disappointed again

[tx 3 putt 78679]

6 hours ago, RabidM said:

Roberts has no one to blame but himself.  He's completely lost control of the court.  He had the chance to stop this multiple times when he was the swing vote, but he was too much of a pussy.  Now the other 5 don't need his vote and can do whatever they want.  He can't be the moderate conservative\deciding force anymore.  He's helpless.  SCOTUS will effectively be an arm of the GOP for the foreseeable future, unless a conservative justice dies before the midterm elections.  They might show some restraint on some issues, but the GOP is going to get all of their big ticket items done most likely.  

And that was the whole point of this decades long process of capturing control of the judiciary.  The GOP thinks and plans ahead dozens of years.  And the Democrats can't figure out how to shepherd their herd of cats on any given day. 

 

this is Thomas's court 

[RomaVicta 30589]

1 hour ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

If the Dems/center doesn't pull their heads out of their asses, we are steam rolling to be a theocracy.  Fucking Christians are the worse. 

The Dems and other pro-republic forces only have the vote as a tool. Even that is being compromised by the anti-republic GЯP assaults on ability to vote and election results. The Dems are a political organization which is about as effective as being a symphony orchestra in the face of fascism. 

There is no persuading the anti-republic mob. There is only defeating them through numbers or violence.

As for theocracy, the Christian political movement (it's only religious in its denial of love and tolerance) must establish a theocracy to protect them from ongoing persecution. Just as white men are the only objects of racism, Christians (in the movement) are the only religion that anybody ever persecutes. 

War is peace. Ignorance is strength. Oppressors are victims.

Orwell lays the fatal importance of the death of irony right before our eyes. I've just never seen it until the last decade. 

We suffer a tyranny of the irony-deaf and humorless. Illiterate literalists band together as though called by God to expel the evils of citizen rights which have led to such evil results. If you can't see irony you likely don't even recognize contradictions; you can hold opposing viewpoints in your head as dogma; you can dismiss any argument because you don't really grasp comparison. 

It's a pretty tight death spiral for the self-congratulatory USA. Book by Orwell. Curtain music will be provided by Lee Greenwood. 

 

[crash_davis 23470]

[tx 3 putt 78679]

2 hours ago, Pig Bellmont said:

The myth of Roberts as a swing vote is perplexing to me. Yes he didn’t completely gut the ACA but he voted in plenty of 5-4 decisions siding with the conservatives. Voting Rights. Citizens United. On and on. But yes. He’s a horrible Chief Justice 

 

roberts has a long history / personal vendetta / war against voting rights 

https://www.vox.com/21211880/supreme-court-chief-justice-john-roberts-voting-rights-act-election-2020

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/supreme-court-john-roberts-voting-rights-brnovich-dark-money-1194487/

[Jive Turkey 13004]

10 hours ago, Satchel said:

So, stare decisis is no longer a thing? Row was 7-2 decision 49 years ago.

[crash_davis 23470]

9 minutes ago, pyrohornIII said:

I understand that.  I mean that if the Republicans are dead set on doing away with abortion, then they should be willing to stand up and pay for the consequences, and not just stand on the abstinence bully pulpit.  It's not so much legislation to legalize abortion, but to set up a system that hopefully would reduce unwanted pregnancies and provide better for those children and mothers who have to go through it.  

republicans only care about fetuses and will immediately do everything they can to insure that kid fails after he/she is born. 

[BrickHorn 18447]

The US is fucked. We’re barreling full-speed towards regressive fascism. The antidote is an educated populace. But oops! The fascists convinced the rubes decades ago that a secular, objective education was the work of the devil. So now we’re stuck with a bunch of greedy, angry dummies who can’t see what’s coming and idiotically equate the equitable solution to capitalist fascism (democratic socialism) with absolute evil. Because commies or atheists or some shit. 

It’s going to take generations to recover from this sabotage of America. 

[crash_davis 23470]

1 minute ago, BrickHorn said:

The US is fucked. We’re barreling full-speed towards regressive fascism. The antidote is an educated populace. But oops! The fascists convinced the rubes decades ago that a secular, objective education was the work of the devil. So now we’re stuck with a bunch of greedy, angry dummies who can’t see what’s coming and idiotically equate the equitable solution to capitalist fascism (democratic socialism) with absolute evil. Because commies or atheists or some shit. 

It’s going to take generations to recover from this sabotage of America. 

republicans: the more uneducated the voters, the longer we can rape them.

[Foosters 18280]

13 minutes ago, Skipper said:

My $$$ is definitely on a clerk.    Similar to the Ivy League douche that "publicly" either quit or turned down a 2L job last summer because his big firm represented someone he found politically distasteful.   Never underestimate the delusion of self absorbed twenty somethings or their inability to understand consequences.

This is a SCOTUS clerk, not a Starbucks barista.

 

 

[CooterBrown 18288]

Prepare tor a blue wave. Pack the court.

We needed a blue wave before all the voter suppression was put in place. It’s probably too late now.

[Francisco 2.0 32592]

 

 

[crash_davis 23470]

eh. i blame hillary for being so unlikable that idiots thought trump was a better choice.

 

[Ghost of LL 15698]

2 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

 

I think Roberts did it.

[tx 3 putt 78679]

4 hours ago, DaysOff said:

Outlawing gay marriage and sodomy is next. Because Jesus. How any woman can still pull a vote lever for the Rs is beyond me.

 

human / human sodomy, or human / animal sodomy, or both ?

[BrickHorn 18447]

Just now, crash_davis said:

eh. i blame hillary for being so unlikable that idiots thought trump was a better choice.

 

I blame the Democrats for becoming slightly-less-mean-spirited Republicans. The Dems fucked over their former labor base and let the working class deteriorate into an angry populist mob.

[Skipper 6411]

1 minute ago, Foosters said:

This is a SCOTUS clerk, not a Starbucks barista.

 

 

What I was thinking about was from March, not last summer. 

Harvard Law 2L Walks Away From Summer Associate Position to Protest Law Firm's Work in Russia | Law.com

You have a lot more faith than I do that one of these twenty-something ivy league elites isn't self important enough to leak this.  Most obviously would not but it only takes one.

 

[Pig Bellmont 8886]

3 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

 

I’ve got $1 on Ginni Thomas

[Jive Turkey 13004]

2 hours ago, Pig Bellmont said:

Leaking also makes it possible for Fox News to rail about norms and processes- rather than confront the weight of the decision itself. It softens the blow

Laura Ingraham was raring to go last night with this line of attack.  Yes, I confess, I flipped it to Fox News to see what their angle was, and sure enough, this was it.  Ingraham was the perfect mouthpiece since she was a SCOTUS clerk (Thomas).  The timing of the leak was not lost on me.

And this morning, Fox News is already running with the narrative that liberals are marching on SCOTUS and threatening violence and are planning ... an insurrection.

I have zero doubt the leak came from the right for numerous reasons.  They benefit for so many reasons.  This whole idea that it came from the left to mobilize voters in November doesn't fly because those elections will be fucking rigged.  GQP has been working on that over several election cycles.

 

Edited May 3, 2022 by Jive Turkey

[Foosters 18280]

Just now, Skipper said:

What I was thinking about was from March, not last summer. 

Harvard Law 2L Walks Away From Summer Associate Position to Protest Law Firm's Work in Russia | Law.com

You have a lot more faith than I do that one of these twenty-something ivy league elites isn't self important enough to leak this.  Most obviously would not but it only takes one.

 

Do you think SCOTUS clerks are fresh out of law school?

[Chuckie Finster 23079]

4 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

 

"undermine the integrity of our operations" lmao

homeboy, the wife of your most senior Justice was conspiring to overthrow the government, the "integrity" is long gone.

Edited May 3, 2022 by Chuckie Finster

[crash_davis 23470]

Just now, BrickHorn said:

I blame the Democrats for becoming slightly-less-mean-spirited Republicans. The Dems fucked over their former labor base and let the working class deteriorate into an angry populist mob.

counterpoint. the working class are mostly racist assholes who like trump's anti-immigrant message.

[BrickHorn 18447]

Just now, crash_davis said:

counterpoint. the working class are mostly racist assholes who like trump's anti-immigrant message.

Counter-counterpoint: economic hardship is a Petri dish for racism. The more secure people feel in their jobs and income, the less likely they are to scapegoat and fear out-groups. 

[CooterBrown 18288]

 
human / animal sodomy?

Well, you just got aggy’s attention.

[Gil Bang 26240]

49 minutes ago, pyrohornIII said:

Indeed Pelosi should start pushing legislation concerning this.  Not only the rape and incest clauses, but also for reform and bolstering of programs like Planned Parenthood.  If the courts want to revisit and reform the legality of abortion, then the legislature should be looking at reforming the programs intended to support mothers of, and unwanted children.  

Start with sex education and birth control and run it all the way through setting higher standards for foster care systems in states, particularly those who outlaw abortion, like Texas.   

Make these fuckers who are so concerned about those zygotes financially accountable for their well being pre and post natal, up until they are at least 18.  Notice I said accountable, not responsible.  That means safety nets for those kids to fall back on for physical and mental health.    Picture little Marie going to her first day of school in Podunk, Texas, and already she's labeled as the kid of that slut who got raped.  Well just move then, right. Have the mom start a new life somewhere else.  Way away from family and home.  Makes tons of sense.   There is definitely a disconnect in how much we care for a fetus and how much we want to shame the fuck out of people, even the innocents.  

I maintain that most of those carrying the anti abortion banner are actually more anti-sex.  Their sex lives suck (due to a variety of reasons) and unwanted pregnancies are often the result of unprotected sex, so punish those who have sex for any other purpose that procreation.    

Pelosi already passed it.  It died in the Senate. 

[Skipper 6411]

3 minutes ago, Foosters said:

Do you think SCOTUS clerks are fresh out of law school?

Late 20's early 30's?  Fuck if I know.   I just know that if I'm making a bet on the leaker, I'm betting on a clerk vs. justice or long term permanent staff.

[crash_davis 23470]

1 minute ago, BrickHorn said:

Counter-counterpoint: economic hardship is a Petri dish for racism. The more secure people feel in their jobs and income, the less likely they are to scapegoat and fear out-groups. 

counter-infinity-point: people are assholes and will sometimes gravitate to assholes. 

[Bateshorn 9991]

27 minutes ago, Macanudo said:

You really think that?   Do Mitch. Ted, Lindsey, Josh or Rand have a hard time out in public?

He comes from a very inside the Beltway community that’s pretty socially liberal.  Most outspoken Conservatives these days travel in a pretty cloistered circle, mostly based in certain NoVA communities (McLean). That’s not the world Kavanaugh was raised/travelled in.

Edited May 3, 2022 by Bateshorn

[Fudge Nuggets 19455]

10 hours ago, immamac said:

This is hilariously stupid. You should be ashamed of how proudly stupid you are, but we all know that you aren’t

A chiropractor getting owned on the finer details of obsterics... color me shocked.

[Gil Bang 26240]

 

[wildcat09 29579]

7 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

I think Roberts did it.

My top guess is still Alito, to keep Kavanaugh from flipping (thinking he's soft but intense public pressure will cause him to pound some beers and say "fuck the libs!"). But it could be Roberts trying to flip Kavanaugh (thinking he's soft and intense public pressure will cause him to flip).

I'm pretty sure Roberts was behind that shit about Gorsuch not masking a few months back, so maybe that makes him the more likely candidate. The only thing I'm fairly confident about is that it wasn't a liberal justice, except for the like 1% chance it was Breyer on the way out just saying fuck it. 

[Johnny Sack 8397]

I don't think upholding a ban at 15 weeks is going to be unpopular. Most Americans agree with that. And that puts us right in line with the rest of the developed world. 37 of the 40 European countries have laws that are this restrictive or more.

I never thought the framers or the drafters of the 14th amendment ever in their wildest dream thought the Constitution prohibited states regulating abortions.

[JFKFC 4978]

The theocracy is coming. Nothing will stop it.

Legalized marijuana, even medicinal - gone.

Gay marriage - gone.

Legal birth control - gone.

Mandatory prayer is coming. Mandatory tithes are coming. 

[Johnny Sack 8397]

2 minutes ago, JFKFC said:

The theocracy is coming. Nothing will stop it.

Legalized marijuana, even medicinal - gone.

Gay marriage - gone.

Legal birth control - gone.

Mandatory prayer is coming. Mandatory tithes are coming. 

Yep.  All of this.

[Sbbruin 22144]

49 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

Particularly, women that like anal.

Well if the goal is to limit unplanned pregnancy, shouldn't we be promoting anal?

[wildcat09 29579]

3 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

I don't think upholding a ban at 15 weeks is going to be unpopular. Most Americans agree with that. And that puts us right in line with the rest of the developed world. 37 of the 40 European countries have laws that are this restrictive or more.

I never thought the framers or the drafters of the 14th amendment ever in their wildest dream thought the Constitution prohibited states regulating abortions.

Neither the framers nor drafters of the 14th amendment thought that women were full citizens.

[South Austin 53227]

16 minutes ago, crash_davis said:

eh. i blame hillary for being so unlikable that idiots thought trump was a better choice.

You're not wrong.

[Fudge Nuggets 19455]

4 hours ago, South Austin said:

Holy shit, looks like I went to bed too early last night.

Like others have alluded, this only encourages litigants to waive Alito’s opinion in the Court’s face in cases to overturn Obergefell, Lawrence, and Griswold.

And this opinion will just flat out dare Abbott and the Texas legislature to enact a law restricting if not outlawing gay marriage with the knowledge that said law will wind up in a Dobbs v. Jackson U.S. Supreme Court.

Many thought that something like this might cause a significant electoral shift in Texas. But if the Dems can’t make a dent in the next two election cycles after this shit, then Texas is further from turning purple than we ever hoped.

Nothing will change until big corporations pull up shop and GTFO.  But that ain't happening because taxes and shit.

[Foosters 18280]

Love to live my life according to the principles of two groups: nomadic desert dwellers from 2000 years ago and slave holding aristocrats from 300 years ago.

And this makes perfect sense to me.