Saban story

[futureman 22415]

tonight at 7 on corby davidson’s twitter he’s releasing an interview he did with tom hicks that covers the saban to texas story.  no new info but still a great listen to hear it from tom.  it will make you hate mack as well. 

[Jkwellborn 6653]

Most of the board probably hates Mack.

[futureman 22415]

1 hour ago, Jkwellborn said:

Most of the board probably hates Mack.

you’ll hate him more.

[Stinkpalm 677]

Heard it on the radio on the way home from work. Just about ground my teeth down to the gums. Still rage inducing 

[Fondren & Main 6667]

Link?

[futureman 22415]

4 minutes ago, Fondren & Main said:

Link?

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/3-tom-hicks/id1466677088?i=1000442993822

[NeverMarryAStripper 21781]

Cliff notes?

[futureman 22415]

23 minutes ago, NeverMarryAStripper said:

Cliff notes?

saban wanted to coach here.  tom hicks mentioned it to mack, said it would be a good time for him retire.  mack blew his top and dug in because he didn’t want saban winning championships with “his players”.  fast forward two years and the program is in shambles, saban wants nothing to do with us, and mack is killing himself in florida.  

[TrashMaster G 17387]

God bless Mack for keeping Saban away from here.  Greatest thing he ever did for The University. 

[NeverMarryAStripper 21781]

I’m not much of a Sagan fan, but if it kept us from wandering in the desert for a decade while bringing some championships I would have been all for it.

[Walden Ponderer 12639]

28 minutes ago, NeverMarryAStripper said:

I’m not much of a Sagan fan, but if it kept us from wandering in the desert for a decade while bringing some championships I would have been all for it.

I personally would love to win billions and billions of championships. 

[markstanco 12505]

tonight at 7 on corby davidson’s twitter he’s releasing an interview he did with tom hicks that covers the saban to texas story.  no new info but still a great listen to hear it from tom.  it will make you hate mack as well. 

I haven't listened yet, will tomorrow. But I question his OU loving ass on anything concerning Texas football.

[C-Man 27050]

God bless Mack for keeping Saban away from here.  Greatest thing he ever did for The University. 

Fuck that.

At least this validates all those stories that Mack fucked it all up and we weren’t crazy.

[Fletch 5799]

2 hours ago, NeverMarryAStripper said:

I’m not much of a Sagan fan, but if it kept us from wandering in the desert for a decade while bringing some championships I would have been all for it.

I’d love to see what would’ve happened in some other universe if he had come here for the 2014 season. I’d guess something like 

2014:8-4

2015-10-2

2016-12-0, conference champions, in playoffs

then from 2017 to whenever he wants to retire I’d assume we’d win the conference every year and be in the playoffs. I feel like Saban could easily handle Riley in the cotton bowl and then again in the conference title game but fuck it. Whatever. Here we are. 

Im getting an 08 kind of feel from this team. Returning pretty much your entire offense. Our secondary is going to be legendary. We’ve got bodies galore on the d line. Can’t wait to see them unleash Shark, Ossai and Overshown. Kickoff can’t get here fast enough 

[Marfa Low Crown 2544]

3 hours ago, futureman said:

he didn’t want saban winning championships with “his players”

I think we all knew Mack and Sallie didn't swing but after reading that I'm pretty certain 

[Stinkpalm 677]

3 hours ago, markstanco said:

9 hours ago, futureman said:

tonight at 7 on corby davidson’s twitter he’s releasing an interview he did with tom hicks that covers the saban to texas story.  no new info but still a great listen to hear it from tom.  it will make you hate mack as well. 

I haven't listened yet, will tomorrow. But I question his OU loving ass on anything concerning Texas football.

He shockingly gave it a pretty fair shake, for the most part. Reported it as if he fully believed Hicks’ story. Ended the segment acknowledging that Texas would’ve probably racked up championships had it happened, but also thanked Mack and the “mystery” regent for screwing it up. In summation, fuck ou.

[orangecat92 306]

I didn't know I could feel any more resentment towards Mack.  Ironically, it appears the mystery regent is more at fault than Mack for ruining Saban's chances after Mack.  What kind of regent leaks that info?  

 

 

[Guest]

Saban wouldn't have been winning shit with those craptastic o-lines either.

 

Mack's the person many of us always said he was; but I disagree that Saban would have just automatically won because he's Saban.  Like every Surlist on their bachelor party, he requires overwhelming talent.

[DigglerontheHoof 21060]

36 minutes ago, slorch said:

Saban wouldn't have been winning shit with those craptastic o-lines either.

 

Mack's the person many of us always said he was; but I disagree that Saban would have just automatically won because he's Saban.  Like every Surlist on their bachelor party, he requires overwhelming talent.

You're crazy if you don't think a hire like Saban going from Bama to Texas wouldn't have created a recruiting rolling ball of butcher knives...including olinemen.   

[Guest]

I was addressing Mack’s alleged concern. 

[Thiefery 4969]

[Guest Lobo]

You guys know his brother is a Regent?  

[markstanco 12505]

Totally agreed and commented on it in The Ticket thread.

Where is The Ticket thread?

[smwhorn 481]

Everyone knows Charlie Strong is a much better coach than Nick Saban.  Good thing we got Charlie instead.  

[Gene Parmesan 3993]

Losing builds character, and winning all the time is boring for the players.  Mack truly had the best interest of his players at heart.

[Continental Op 3934]

Movies and TV. It’s the longest running thread in Shaggy/Surly, with the same Subject Name

Dammit. We don't need stanco's dumb ass in that thread.

 

[markstanco 12505]

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

5 hours ago, slorch said:

Saban wouldn't have been winning shit with those craptastic o-lines either.

 

Mack's the person many of us always said he was; but I disagree that Saban would have just automatically won because he's Saban.  Like every Surlist on their bachelor party, he requires overwhelming talent.

if only saban had a proven track record of turning around poorly run programs.

you slorch'd the fuck out of that one. 

[Dewey 3280]

Meh, personally, I think Mack was hitting the sauce at the end. Quite doing his job, angry, in denial... I was once there myself.

[SwanderedTalent 5761]

6 hours ago, slorch said:

Saban wouldn't have been winning shit with those craptastic o-lines either.

 

Mack's the person many of us always said he was; but I disagree that Saban would have just automatically won because he's Saban.  Like every Surlist on their bachelor party, he requires overwhelming talent.

if you insert Saban at any point in the Mack downfall, you have to keep in mind that all of the subsequent recruiting classes change, and all of the personnel changes (transfers and washouts) are changed as well

you are basing this off of the poor Mack years, and the Strong years, and Herman's first year, but if you insert Saban at any point on that spectrum, you have to speculate and form some assumptions about what the roster would look like with one of the three best recruiters/talent evaluators/maximizers of the modern era in charge of it

in short, there wouldn't likely have been consistently craptastic o-lines

[Guest]

28 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

if only saban had a proven track record of turning around poorly run programs.

you slorch'd the fuck out of that one. 

 I don’t think it’s risky to say that Sabin damn sure Would have had his work cut out for him. 

 Even now, with every freaking advantage Known to man;  he doesn’t get it done year in and year out. 

[Dewey 3280]

Well sometimes you're gonna lose in the championship game

[Bateshorn 9898]

For those that want to hear it without all the Mavs and Rangers stuff, it starts with about 13 minutes left in the podcast (or 44:45 minutes in).   The Mack/Saban Story starts with about 6 minutes left.

If they could have pulled Saban in 2011, he could have had a couple of solid years of recruiting before the butchers bill of Mack's final years came due and avoided the completely talentless squads. Fucking thin skinned tobacco road salesman.

Fuck. Mack. Brown.

Edited June 28, 2019 by Bateshorn

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

9 minutes ago, slorch said:

 I don’t think it’s risky to say that Sabin damn sure Would have had his work cut out for him. 

 Even now, with every freaking advantage Known to man;  he doesn’t get it done year in and year out. 

your argument against him not succeeding at Texas is that he does not win the national championship every year at Alabama.

your momma dropped you on your head daily.

[SwanderedTalent 5761]

I have to agree with slorch, Saban would not have won the national title every year at Texas if he'd come here. 

[Guest]

25 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

your argument against him not succeeding at Texas is that he does not win the national championship every year at Alabama.

your momma dropped you on your head daily.

He needs every advantage possible to succeed.  He has the most talented teams in the country. He SHOULD win every fucking year.

 

besides the fleet of Brinks trucks, why the fuck would he have come to Texas?

 

The flipside of this is the notion that Mack talked Texas out of anything.

Edited June 28, 2019 by slorch

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

2 minutes ago, slorch said:

He needs every advantage possible to succeed.  He has the most talented teams in the country. He SHOULD win every fucking year.

Sentence #1: he CREATED every advantage he has. Bama was dogshit for 15 years before he re-built it. that he built a dynasty is a knock against him, now? slorch'n

Sentence #2: he has the most talented teams in the country BECAUSE OF HIM. you're using one of his greatest strengths as an argument against him. slorch'n

Sentence #3: retarded. slorch'n

what is wrong with you?

[sushihorn 3233]

51 minutes ago, slorch said:

 I don’t think it’s risky to say that Sabin damn sure Would have had his work cut out for him.

Texas would have been a FAR easier rebuild than LSU - which went 4-7 and 2-8 with 2 and ZERO conference wins before Saban.

It was also an easier rebuild than Bama.  The Tide has a losing record and only 2 conference wins in Shula's last season.

But feel free to believe what you want.  The facts are very strongly against you.

[Fondren & Main 6667]

21 minutes ago, slorch said:

He needs every advantage possible to succeed.  He has the most talented teams in the country. He SHOULD win every fucking year.

 

besides the fleet of Brinks trucks, why the fuck would he have come to Texas?

 

The flipside of this is the notion that Mack talked Texas out of anything.

Did you listen to the podcast?  E-G-O!

 

If Saban won titles at multiple schools then he is the greatest of all time.  May still be when it's all said and done.

[bigcigar 1161]

9 minutes ago, Fondren & Main said:

Did you listen to the podcast?  E-G-O!

 

If Saban won titles at multiple schools then he is the greatest of all time.  May still be when it's all said and done.

....so he’s the greatest of all time? He has won at multiple schools.

[Fondren & Main 6667]

To be fair I had two Jamesons at lunch. 🥴

[SwanderedTalent 5761]

Saban is arguably the greatest of all time because he's had to amass basically all of his hardware in an era where you had to prove more of it on the field-- not all of it, but more of it. Saban doesn't get to win conference "co" championships, and he doesn't get to effectively host a winner-takes-all bowl game to end the season (nor does he get to pick the opponent). The national champion is less "selected" today than it was pre-playoff. 

It's never been easy to win national championships, and modern-day Alabama enjoys some systemic advantages that didn't exist under the rules of Bryant's era, but I think it's more impressive to win a national championship today than it was in 1978, for instance.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

Sentence #1: he CREATED every advantage he has. Bama was dogshit for 15 years before he re-built it. that he built a dynasty is a knock against him, now? slorch'n

Sentence #2: he has the most talented teams in the country BECAUSE OF HIM. you're using one of his greatest strengths as an argument against him. slorch'n

Sentence #3: retarded. slorch'n

what is wrong with you?

Yep the recruiting is part of it and the talent comes to Bama because of Saban.  Same could be said for Mack when he was at UT.

 

When has Saban won with the less talented team? It’s been a while.

When has he lost with the most talented team?  That is underachieving, bottom line.

 

My question was and still is, ‘ Why would Saban ever leave Bama for Texas?’  It’s basically people sating Texas could’ve thrown it over that mountain... and if they didn’t, well, that’s Mack’s fault.

LOLz.

[Fondren & Main 6667]

8 minutes ago, slorch said:

Yep the recruiting is part of it and the talent comes to Bama because of Saban.  Same could be said for Mack when he was at UT.

 

When has Saban won with the less talented team? It’s been a while.

When has he lost with the most talented team?  That is underachieving, bottom line.

 

My question was and still is, ‘ Why would Saban ever leave Bama for Texas?’  It’s basically people sating Texas could’ve thrown it over that mountain... and if they didn’t, well, that’s Mack’s fault.

LOLz.

[Cairn Horn88 8167]

3 hours ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

if only saban had a proven track record of turning around poorly run programs.

you slorch'd the fuck out of that one. 

If ifs and buts were candies and nuts we'd all have a merry Christmas

[mulletpelini 5209]

1 hour ago, SwanderedTalent said:

Saban is arguably the greatest of all time because he's had to amass basically all of his hardware in an era where you had to prove more of it on the field-- not all of it, but more of it. Saban doesn't get to win conference "co" championships, and he doesn't get to effectively host a winner-takes-all bowl game to end the season (nor does he get to pick the opponent). The national champion is less "selected" today than it was pre-playoff. 

It's never been easy to win national championships, and modern-day Alabama enjoys some systemic advantages that didn't exist under the rules of Bryant's era, but I think it's more impressive to win a national championship today than it was in 1978, for instance.

If you lost a game late in 1978, like Alabama did vs. Auburn in 2017, because the voters didn't work that way and you didn't get a second chance by virtue of the playoff.  You could argue that every Saban Alabama team that won a NC with a loss since the playoffs is bullshit because of it.  He's had one undefeated team.  Every Nebraska NC team was undefeated.

 

[sushihorn 3233]

3 minutes ago, mulletpelini said:

If you lost a game late in 1978, like Alabama did vs. Auburn in 2017, because the voters didn't work that way and you didn't get a second chance by virtue of the playoff.  You could argue that every Saban Alabama team that won a NC with a loss since the playoffs is bullshit because of it.  He's had one undefeated team.  Every Nebraska NC team was undefeated.

Nebraska had a MUCH easier road back in those days you goof.  A lot fewer games in total.  Far fewer match ups with top teams and frequently never had to play anybody in the top 4 - much less TWO such teams in a row.

[mulletpelini 5209]

[futureman 22415]

3 hours ago, Dewey said:

Meh, personally, I think Mack was hitting the sauce at the end. Quite doing his job, angry, in denial... I was once there myself.

was?

 

2 hours ago, slorch said:

besides the fleet of Brinks trucks, why the fuck would he have come to Texas?

tom explains it in the interview. 

[nunna yo bizness 1687]

17 hours ago, futureman said:

saban wanted to coach here.  tom hicks mentioned it to mack, said it would be a good time for him retire.  mack blew his top and dug in because he didn’t want saban winning championships with “his players”.  fast forward two years and the program is in shambles, saban wants nothing to do with us, and mack is killing himself in florida.  

Apparently Mack didn't want to win championships with his players either at that point.