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Now let’s imagine a world where China decides to dump several hundreds of millions of dollars into a campaign to elect a democrat.  And that Democrat openly screams for Beijing’s support.  And uses in

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Looks like Elkhart County went for Trump 64-32 over Hillary in 2016, so fuck 'em.  Enjoy the tariffs you voted for! 

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Apparently China didn't heed the stark example of what happens to those in a battle of financial wit between Donald Trump and Dennis Rodman. Ask Clint Black or Gene Simmons what happens. Go ahead and

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1 hour ago, Doc Sam Beckett said:

Lulz holy fuck, I wanna be a farmer when I grow up 

I'm willing to bet that a big chunk of that change will go to big agriculture corporations and wouldn't be surprised if some of those agriculture companies are Chinese owned.

The actual family farm will be lucky to break even.

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4 hours ago, 4th&Five said:

We’ll see

I don’t know which is more annoying, “Why don’t you support the troops?” or this notion that I give a flying crap about the hayseed Iowa farmers.  Fuck the farmers that voted for this jackass.  I hope every one of them loses their farm.

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1 hour ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

I don’t know which is more annoying, “Why don’t you support the troops?” or this notion that I give a flying crap about the hayseed Iowa farmers.  Fuck the farmers that voted for this jackass.  I hope every one of them loses their farm.

Wishing financial ruin on working class people is kind of fucked up. Wishing it on the Enron guys I get but people that perform manual labor to break even at the end of the year?

Besides, an increase in the loss of local farms will result in an increase in big agriculture. That isn't something that you really want to happen is it?

 

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Wishing financial ruin on working class people is kind of fucked up. Wishing it on the Enron guys I get but people that perform manual labor to break even at the end of the year?
 


Elections - and how you spend your vote - have consequences.
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2 hours ago, Bama Chick said:

 


Elections - and how you spend your vote - have consequences.

I was addressing the desire for another person to experience misfortune not the unintended consequences of a supported policy by that person.

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53 minutes ago, F250 said:

I was addressing the desire for another person to experience misfortune not the unintended consequences of a supported policy by that person.

I want those that voted for dotard to experience destruction.  The others are in good standing and I wish them luck because they’re going to need it. 

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17 hours ago, F250 said:

Wishing financial ruin on working class people is kind of fucked up. Wishing it on the Enron guys I get but people that perform manual labor to break even at the end of the year?

Besides, an increase in the loss of local farms will result in an increase in big agriculture. That isn't something that you really want to happen is it?

 

 

There has to be consequences to your actions, or there is no reason to change your actions.

in this specific case, if there is no economic pain felt for voting for a moron, then they will vote for a moron again.

 

 

 

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13 hours ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

I want those that voted for dotard to experience destruction.  The others are in good standing and I wish them luck because they’re going to need it. 

Yeah, that's a fucked up mindset but whatever floats your boat.

2 hours ago, High Plains Drifter said:

 

There has to be consequences to your actions, or there is no reason to change your actions.

in this specific case, if there is no economic pain felt for voting for a moron, then they will vote for a moron again.

 

 

 

Trump's populism thrives off of exploiting the tension of the working class. Further class tension will only exacerbate the problem not solve it. If the majority of Democrats hold this view that white blue collar workers must be punished, how will they ever be persuaded to vote for anything other than a Republican populist?

 

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Toyota ain't taking this shit laying down.  If Trump ever needed a message sent, the 10 US plants that Toyota has are all in states that voted for him.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/17/toyota-says-trump-tariff-threat-shows-investments-in-us-not-welcomed.html

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Toyota Motor said President Donald Trump’s latest move in the administration’s international trade war was a “major setback” for American consumers, shows the company’s investments in the U.S. are “not welcomed” and that contributions from its American employees are “not valued.”

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Trump issued a new directive Friday giving Japan and the European Union six months to renegotiate their trade dealswith the U.S. so that the “American automobile industry, its workforce, and American innovation” are protected.

The Japan automaker’s comments Friday come after the White House said U.S.Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer will “address the threatened impairment” of national security from auto imports.

 

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“Our operations and employees contribute significantly to the American way of life, the U.S. economy and are not a national security threat,” Toyota said in a statement.

EU Trade Commissioner Cecilia Malmstrom also denounced Trump’s comments, saying “we completely reject the notion” that Europe’s car exports are a national security threat.

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Toyota said it has been “deeply engrained” in the U.S. for more than 60 years and has invested over $60 billion in the country, employing more than 475,000 Americans.

Toyota added that “history has shown” that limiting imports of vehicles and parts is “counterproductive in creating jobs, stimulating the economy and influencing consumer buying habits.” The automaker said auto tariffs would reduce consumer choice and even impact American automakers because vehicle parts used for manufacturing in the U.S. come from various countries.

 

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Today’s Executive Proclamation is a major set-back for American consumers, workers and the auto industry.

Toyota has been deeply engrained in the U.S. for over 60 years. Between our R&D centers, 10 manufacturing plants, 1,500-strong dealer network, extensive supply chain and other operations, we directly and indirectly employ over 475,000 in the U.S., and have invested over $60 billion in this country, including over $1 billion in philanthropic and community-outreach efforts.

Today’s proclamation sends a message to Toyota that our investments are not welcomed, and the contributions from each of our employees across America are not valued.

We have been a leader in R&D through open-sourcing of patents in critical technologies such as fuel cells, hybrid electrification and continue to be transparent and collaborative with our innovations. Our goal is to develop technologies that help society and contribute to sustaining the economy and jobs in the U.S. We continue to innovate in areas of AI, autonomous and robotics technologies that will further contribute and improve our American society.

Most every American has a Toyota story and we are very proud of the fact that over 36 million Toyota and Lexus vehicles are still on U.S. roads today. Our operations and employees contribute significantly to the American way of life, the U.S. economy and are not a national security threat. 

History has shown that limiting import vehicles and parts is counterproductive in creating jobs, stimulating the economy and influencing consumer buying habits. These artificial limitations would reduce consumer choice and impact all automakers since vehicle parts used in U.S. manufacturing are sourced from around the globe. If import quotas are imposed, the biggest losers will be consumers who will pay more and have fewer vehicle choices.

We remain hopeful that the upcoming negotiations on trade can be resolved quickly and yield what is best for the American consumer, workers and the auto industry.

 

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18 hours ago, F250 said:

Yeah, that's a fucked up mindset but whatever floats your boat.

Trump's populism thrives off of exploiting the tension of the working class. Further class tension will only exacerbate the problem not solve it. If the majority of Democrats hold this view that white blue collar workers must be punished, how will they ever be persuaded to vote for anything other than a Republican populist?

 

If they can't be persuaded to vote against Trump through the forfeiture of tangible assets, there's nothing that will convince them at this point.

They need to learn that Trump is no William Jennings Bryan, at whose alter many of them seem to pray.

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Excellent to see Toyota stand up to dotard. It's clear Trump's grasp of economics is on par with a middle school kid in Bumfuck, Arkansas so having one of the largest auto manufacturers in the world who happens to employ almost a half million Americans clap back at him & his ridiculous tariffs is a pretty fucking big deal. There's gotta be someone in Trump's inner circle who can sit down & explain to him the economic impact if Toyota decides to curtail their investments in the US, right?

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12 minutes ago, GhostOfTomJoad said:

Excellent to see Toyota stand up to dotard. It's clear Trump's grasp of economics is on par with a middle school kid in Bumfuck, Arkansas so having one of the largest auto manufacturers in the world who happens to employ almost a half million Americans clap back at him & his ridiculous tariffs is a pretty fucking big deal. There's gotta be someone in Trump's inner circle who can sit down & explain to him the economic impact if Toyota decides to curtail their investments in the US, right?

Oh, sure...but he wouldn't understand it or even bother to listen.  

One of Toyota's plants is in Indiana. 

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The roughly 950,000 square foot factory is split into two different plants. The original factory, "West Plant," produces Highlanders and Sequoias. TMMI later expanded to add "East Plant" which produces Siennas. Both plants have joined weld, stamping, and plastic production sections. East Plant also started producing Highlanders as of 2016. Both plants have undergone large expansions to support the high domestic and worldwide demands for the Highlander.

TMMI is the sole source of Highlanders for all markets worldwide except China. Chinese-market Highlanders are made in China exclusively for the Chinese market.

It would be a shame if they decided to, oh, cut back on production of vehicles there and laid off about 4000 of their 5500 employees.  I'm sure that would get the attention of Pence, who might try to get Trump's attention.

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Very interesting to me to see the tone slowly changing about the Trade War. Here’s Tom Friedman, NYT columnist discussing it with Bannon. 

Throw in people like Lloyd Blankfein and Jim Cramer supporting it and you see that with the people that matter, it’s gaining support. 

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10 minutes ago, GRHorn said:

Very interesting to me to see the tone slowly changing about the Trade War. Here’s Tom Friedman, NYT columnist discussing it with Bannon. 

Throw in people like Lloyd Blankfein and Jim Cramer supporting it and you see that with the people that matter, it’s gaining support. 

Not the way Trump is going about it it isn't.

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3 hours ago, bolverk said:

If they can't be persuaded to vote against Trump through the forfeiture of tangible assets, there's nothing that will convince them at this point.

They need to learn that Trump is no William Jennings Bryan, at whose alter many of them seem to pray.

This conversation was based on the article that was about farmers that voted for Trump but have since turned against him because they might lose the farm.

The attitude of "fuck your face, you voted for Trump" isn't the most persuasive argument to woo disenchanted former Trump voters.

 

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4 minutes ago, F250 said:

This conversation was based on the article that was about farmers that voted for Trump but have since turned against him because they might lose the farm.

The attitude of "fuck your face, you voted for Trump" isn't the most persuasive argument to woo disenchanted former Trump voters.

 

You don't get it. I'm done with convincing arguments, because there's no one left to persuade. Those who can be influenced will only change their opinions when the external pain inflicted on their pocketbooks reaches a boiling point that they can no longer tolerate.

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1 hour ago, bolverk said:

You don't get it. I'm done with convincing arguments, because there's no one left to persuade. Those who can be influenced will only change their opinions when the external pain inflicted on their pocketbooks reaches a boiling point that they can no longer tolerate.

The article interviewed a farmer who stated he will no longer support Trump because of the financial damage that is occurring from the tarrifs. The dude already changed his position. Why would anyone still wish for his financial ruin just because he voted for Trump in 2016?

 

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10 minutes ago, F250 said:

The article interviewed a farmer who stated he will no longer support Trump because of the financial damage that is occurring from the tarrifs. The dude already changed his position. Why would anyone still wish for his financial ruin just because he voted for Trump in 2016?

 

 

 

RIght.  I get that some folks aren't going to be persuaded by logical arguments.  But then condemning them doesn't really add anything to the "conversation."  It just insures that you reinforce their position and alienate others who may be persuaded.

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RIght.  I get that some folks aren't going to be persuaded by logical arguments.  But then condemning them doesn't really add anything to the "conversation."  It just insures that you reinforce their position and alienate others who may be persuaded.

Yes, that's pretty much how I see it.

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The article interviewed a farmer who stated he will no longer support Trump because of the financial damage that is occurring from the tarrifs. The dude already changed his position. Why would anyone still wish for his financial ruin just because he voted for Trump in 2016?
 


Because a lot of us don’t believe their words.

They say they are done with Trump but when the rubber hits the road they’ll fall for the same Fox News bullshittery that the Democrat nominee is a scary socialist and when they’re alone in the voting booth they’ll vote straight ticket Republican.

Because at this point it’s not just Trump. All Republicans are complicit. They’re shielding him and defending him and protecting him and backing his asinine policies.

I’ll welcome these farmers and others with open arms when their actions actually match their words.

Until then I don’t believe them. And I hope they continue to suffer and hurt. Because their selfishness is their main motivator.

I want them to pay for what they voted for. They relish in the thought of lib tears so fuck em.
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15 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

 


Because a lot of us don’t believe their words.

They say they are done with Trump but when the rubber hits the road they’ll fall for the same Fox News bullshittery that the Democrat nominee is a scary socialist and when they’re alone in the voting booth they’ll vote straight ticket Republican.

Because at this point it’s not just Trump. All Republicans are complicit. They’re shielding him and defending him and protecting him and backing his asinine policies.

I’ll welcome these farmers and others with open arms when their actions actually match their words.

Until then I don’t believe them. And I hope they continue to suffer and hurt. Because their selfishness is their main motivator.

I want them to pay for what they voted for. They relish in the thought of lib tears so fuck em.

Yeah, this makes sense.

 

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1 hour ago, F250 said:

The article interviewed a farmer who stated he will no longer support Trump because of the financial damage that is occurring from the tarrifs. The dude already changed his position. Why would anyone still wish for his financial ruin just because he voted for Trump in 2016?

 

Uh huh. Talk is cheap. Let’s see what he and his fellow farmers do in 2020. If trump loses those districts and they flip, then good on them for seeing what everyone else has seen for years. Sure, them possibly losing their livelihood sucks, but let’s see what they actually do about it. 

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I’ll welcome these farmers and others with open arms when their actions actually match their words.

Until then I don’t believe them. And I hope they continue to suffer and hurt. Because their selfishness is their main motivator.

I want them to pay for what they voted for. They relish in the thought of lib tears so fuck em.

 

I understand the frustration, but the whole notion of "fuck'em they voted for Trump let'em pay for it" really isn't healthy for anyone let alone the country. I've come to realize that our system is broken, the right vs. left hate is going to be our downfall. I say all of this as a "moron" who voted for Trump in 2016 and quickly came to the realization that boy was I wrong. I've tried to talk some sense into friends and distant family who still think Trump is the savior of the party. As far as I'm concerned they are a lost cause, it's pretty eye opening.

That said, those that have seen the light need to be welcomed in. I speak for myself specifically. Right now there's really only one Democratic candidate that I won't vote for and that Bernie. He's to far left for me. If he's the nominee I won't cast a vote for President in 2020. The rest of the field has some outstanding ideas and policies that I believe our country needs. Get these individuals that are starting to see the light on how Trump has the country heading in the wrong direction and get them to start embracing change. Without them we may be in for another shitty four years of Trump.

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Yeah, this makes sense.
 

The core belief and joy of the MAGA crowd is inflicting pain on others: “sweet lib tears,” “he’s hurting the wrong people!” etc. If other people aren’t being made to suffer (yeah, show those wetbacks! All lives matter, you f’n thugs! Fuck your feelings!), then Trump is failing.

So, forgive us if we experience smiling schadenfreude when those who gleefully cheer other people’s suffering actually experience some suffering themselves.

Reaping what you sow and all that.
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The core belief and joy of the MAGA crowd is inflicting pain on others: “sweet lib tears,” “he’s hurting the wrong people!” etc. If other people aren’t being made to suffer (yeah, show those wetbacks! All lives matter, you f’n thugs! Fuck your feelings!), then Trump is failing.

So, forgive us if we experience smiling schadenfreude when those who gleefully cheer other people’s suffering actually experience some suffering themselves.

Reaping what you sow and all that.

I understand the reasoning of the schadenfreude, I just don't agree with it and believe it's harmful due to it's dehumanizing effect. It's the same reason I despise Trumpism.

Mayor Pete recently touched on this topic when he said people in Indiana voted for Trump despite their dislike for the man because they just wanted to wreck shop. Not all Trump voters are MAGA enthusiasts, some are just raging against the machine. Trump benefited and continues to thrive off of class tension, I worry that the spite from many Democrats will continue to feed that tension the feeds Trumpism.

 

 

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I understand the reasoning of the schadenfreude, I just don't agree with it and believe it's harmful due to it's dehumanizing effect. It's the same reason I despise Trumpism.
Mayor Pete recently touched on this topic when he said people in Indiana voted for Trump despite their dislike for the man because they just wanted to wreck shop. Not all Trump voters are MAGA enthusiasts, some are just raging against the machine. Trump benefited and continues to thrive off of class tension, I worry that the spite from many Democrats will continue to feed that tension the feeds Trumpism.
 
 

And decency has worked so well.

Face it. The only currency with any value in this market is hate and pain. We tried building a system that grew, and rewarded progress. It failed. This is what we have now.
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It would be a lot easier if we could all come together and hate the Russian government together. 

Well, half of us love everything about Russia, because it pisses off the other half. Pain and hate. That’s your currency. Everything else is worthless.
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