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Ted Lange
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Now let’s imagine a world where China decides to dump several hundreds of millions of dollars into a campaign to elect a democrat.  And that Democrat openly screams for Beijing’s support.  And uses in

Mojo Hand
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Looks like Elkhart County went for Trump 64-32 over Hillary in 2016, so fuck 'em.  Enjoy the tariffs you voted for! 

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Apparently China didn't heed the stark example of what happens to those in a battle of financial wit between Donald Trump and Dennis Rodman. Ask Clint Black or Gene Simmons what happens. Go ahead and

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 I certainly would not defend these tariffs but Trump has a habit of walking back some of the goofy ass stuff he decides when the proverbial crap hits the fan.

Our economy is rather resilient overtime and is a lot more complex than steel and cheese.

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Just wanted to see who the parents of young kids were in the thread. 
The first actress to play Caillou will hopefully escape the trade war with Canada alive and make her way to the US  
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Yes...but she will come as a conqueror, not a refugee.
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Just wanted to see who the parents of young kids were in the thread. 

The first actress to play Caillou will hopefully escape the trade war with Canada alive and make her way to the US  

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She can stay at my place if need be.

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So he will take credit for the numbers today, but after 6 months of a trade war, I bet he’ll blame the numbers on Obama. 

I like how in all the talk of unfair trade practices, no one ever mentions our farm subsidies which helps us to be a huge ag exporter.

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This. Something that took a century, and untold blood and treasure, to gain, and we’re torching it as he and his cultists cackle with glee.

 

And there are other regional powers there to take up the slack. They won’t be keeping our seat warm for us when we come to our senses. The seat will be gone.

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Bipartisan Group of 10 senators challenge Trump over tariffs

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WASHINGTON (AP) — A bipartisan group of 10 senators introduced longshot legislation Wednesday that would require Congress to sign off on tariffs imposed in the name of national security, defying President Donald Trump on a bedrock issue that once defined the GOP.

Congressional Republicans are mostly at odds with what they view as Trump's protectionist instincts on trade. Despite much hand-wringing, prospects for any bill to challenge him remain uncertain. Many Republicans are hesitant to confront Trump in a legislative showdown that could end badly for them. Doing so could court a veto and bruise their standing with Trump voters they need in midterm elections.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., indicated he was not interested in spending too much time on the effort presented behind closed doors Tuesday by its chief proponent, Sen. Bob Corker, R-Tenn., saying he preferred to focus on "getting bills passed." And the second-ranking Republican, Sen. John Cornyn of Texas, said he hoped Republicans concerned about the tariffs could prevail on the president to reverse course. He was heading to the White House later Tuesday for talks.

"Not everything we do has to be legislative. Part of this job is persuasion," said Cornyn. He said lawmakers would "continue to make the case" with the president and his staff, which he noted is divided.

Trump took office promising to rip up trade deals and crack down on unfair trading practices. But that campaign slogan is at odds with Republicans' longstanding preference for free markets and open trade. The standoff is raising an uncomfortable question: If Republicans can't confront Trump on trade, can they challenge him on anything?

"For Republicans, this is who we are," said Sen. Jeff Flake, R-Ariz. "If we believe our own rhetoric — on trade, tariffs and congressional prerogative — I hope it does come to a vote."

The idea being pursued by Corker, Sen. Pat Toomey, R-Pa., and others who have been meeting privately — and with Democrats — would be narrowly crafted legislation requiring congressional approval of the tariffs Trump has imposed in the name of national security.

They're targeting Trump's reliance on the so-called 232 authority, named from Section 232 of the Trade Expansion Act of 1962, which allowed the administration to impose tariffs of 25 percent on imported steel and 10 percent on imported aluminum from Mexico, Canada and the European Union, some of the U.S.'s top allies. The senators are also hoping to halt Trump's threat to slap tariffs on auto imports, including those from Japan.

"I fail to see the national security threat when a Pennsylvanian decides to buy a Toyota Corolla," Toomey said.

It's not just Trump, the senators say, but past administrations that have leaned too heavily into the national security provision the lawmakers now want to subject to congressional oversight.

"When you can just name anything as a national security issue then basically you undermine the whole trade agreement process," Corker said Tuesday.

Five Republicans and four Democrats signed on as co-sponsors to Corker's bill. The bill requires the president to submit to Congress any proposal to adjust imports in the name of national security and provides for speedy consideration. The requirement would apply to all such actions moving forward as well as those taken in the past two years.

The U.S. Chamber of Commerce quickly endorsed it, saying "this modest proposal to clarify congressional prerogatives is welcome and long overdue."

Corker acknowledged the difficulty in passing legislation despite "tremendous concern" among lawmakers in both parties. "My guess is the administration may have some resistance," he said.

Time and again, Republicans in Congress have been reluctant to put guardrails around Trump as the administration has veered from GOP orthodoxy in policy or as the president interprets the law, as he did earlier this week, to assert the special counsel probe is unconstitutional and that he has the power to pardon himself.

Flake is one of the few Republicans who repeatedly take on Trump, and he has separately offered a bill that would reverse the steel and aluminum tariffs, with support from Democratic Sen. Heidi Heitkamp of North Dakota.

Farm-state senators are particularly concerned about retaliatory tariffs that would close off foreign markets to pork and key crops like soybeans and corn. "It isn't as if the dog has not barked," said Sen. Pat Roberts, R-Kan., the chairman of the Senate Agriculture Committee.

Roberts hesitated though on whether he could back the bill. "I've got to get a farm bill done. I don't want to roil the waters."

Challenging Trump comes with its own risks, from alienating his supporters to taking voters' attention off a healthy economy before the midterm elections, which will determine control of the House and Senate.

Rep. Tom Cole, R-Okla., said it's too early to say whether the House would take up Corker's proposal. Lawmakers are wary of a trade war, he said, but "we're not looking for a fight with the president."

"A lot of senators are a lot braver since they're not on the ballot. Over here, everybody is on the ballot," Cole said.

Asked if Congress will act on trade, Sen. Roy Blunt, R-Mo., a member of GOP leadership, answered simply: "No."

 

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On 4/2/2018 at 8:50 AM, atomheartbevo said:

I stopped being a Republican a long time ago because they weren't interested in fiscal restraint of any sort (unless it pissed off the Dems), and I still don't know why you carry their water, because all they care about is pleasing their lobbyists/donors.  They aren't even bothering to look ahead past the next few elections.

They laugh at people like you.  They use people like you, because you think that things like fiscal restraint matter to them, when they've got decades to show they don't care.  George W. and the Republican Congress shoulda told you everything you needed to know about the GOP in its current state.

I stopped being a Democrat a long time ago because they weren't interested in fiscal restraint of any sort (unless it pissed off the Republicans), and I still don't know why you carry their water, because all they care about is pleasing their lobbyists/donors.  They aren't even bothering to look ahead past the next few elections.

They laugh at people like you.  They use people like you, because you think that things like fiscal restraint matter to them, when they've got decades to show they don't care.  Obama and the Democrat Congress shoulda told you everything you needed to know about the Democratic Party in its current state.

 

 

The fun thing is that you can change a few things and it's still relevant and true, the only difference is that now it pisses off a different group of people.  That's our political system in a nutshell.

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Three manufacturing companies in Arkansas say they need an exemption from the Commerce Department from President Trump's new tariffs on steel and aluminum imports or they will be forced to close.

Arkansas Online reports that three tire-cord manufacturers, Bekaert Corp., Kiswire America and Tokusen USA, have jointly requested an exemption from Trump's tariffs, specifically on "grade 1078 and above wire rod for tire cord." The three companies argue that U.S.-based steel producers are unable to manufacture the quality their company needs.

"Stated simply, U.S. wire rod producers are incapable of producing grade 1078 and above wire rod to produce tire cord because that grade of wire rod must be produced in basic oxygen furnaces to achieve the strength, cleanliness and other properties to draw the wire rod to tire cord dimensions," lawyers for the three companies told Arkansas Online.

http://thehill.com/policy/finance/391185-three-arkansas-companies-say-theyll-close-if-trump-doesnt-give-them-exemption#.Wxn2QRC381U.facebook

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Three manufacturing companies in Arkansas say they need an exemption from the Commerce Department from President Trump's new tariffs on steel and aluminum imports or they will be forced to close.

Arkansas Online reports that three tire-cord manufacturers, Bekaert Corp., Kiswire America and Tokusen USA, have jointly requested an exemption from Trump's tariffs, specifically on "grade 1078 and above wire rod for tire cord." The three companies argue that U.S.-based steel producers are unable to manufacture the quality their company needs.

"Stated simply, U.S. wire rod producers are incapable of producing grade 1078 and above wire rod to produce tire cord because that grade of wire rod must be produced in basic oxygen furnaces to achieve the strength, cleanliness and other properties to draw the wire rod to tire cord dimensions," lawyers for the three companies told Arkansas Online.

http://thehill.com/policy/finance/391185-three-arkansas-companies-say-theyll-close-if-trump-doesnt-give-them-exemption#.Wxn2QRC381U.facebook

it's amazing that these are the people who sowed the wind. guess what? you get to reap what you sowed, red states! 

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17 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

One day the people of Russia will Gaddafi this motherfucker and the world will celebrate.

He put neighboring Ukraine on notice that if it tried to make any military moves against pro-Russian separatists in eastern Ukraine while Russia hosted the soccer World Cup this summer, Ukraine would suffer: 

“I hope that there won’t be any provocations, but if it happens I think it would have very serious consequences for Ukrainian statehood in general.”

 

That's buried in there a bit, but Putin just threatened to annex Ukraine if there is any drama surrounding the World Cup in Russia this summer. 

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5 minutes ago, kevwun said:

The folks who like to talk about false flag operations might finally get to see one.

And of course, we have a Republican President who is a Putin fan. 

But hey, we are going to be giving the G-6 a chance to step back into world leadership positions they had forfeited after WWII. 

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2 hours ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Three manufacturing companies in Arkansas say they need an exemption from the Commerce Department from President Trump's new tariffs on steel and aluminum imports or they will be forced to close.

Arkansas Online reports that three tire-cord manufacturers, Bekaert Corp., Kiswire America and Tokusen USA, have jointly requested an exemption from Trump's tariffs, specifically on "grade 1078 and above wire rod for tire cord." The three companies argue that U.S.-based steel producers are unable to manufacture the quality their company needs.

"Stated simply, U.S. wire rod producers are incapable of producing grade 1078 and above wire rod to produce tire cord because that grade of wire rod must be produced in basic oxygen furnaces to achieve the strength, cleanliness and other properties to draw the wire rod to tire cord dimensions," lawyers for the three companies told Arkansas Online.

http://thehill.com/policy/finance/391185-three-arkansas-companies-say-theyll-close-if-trump-doesnt-give-them-exemption#.Wxn2QRC381U.facebook

Gosh, who knew Arkansas tire-cord manufacturers were such libtard snowflakes. 

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3 hours ago, hayden_horn said:

it's amazing that these are the people who sowed the wind. guess what? you get to reap what you sowed, red states! 

That's kind of where I'm at.  Trump has been talking about trade and tariffs for decades, not just in 2016.  He's been saying it for years.

Elections have consequences.....

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2 hours ago, Stringer said:

What's really sad is it won't make a difference at the polls in many of those red areas that are going to get hammered.  Because the gays and blacks.

[Trumpkin]It's ok if we suffer as long as the blacks and gays suffer more, just like God intended.[/Trumpkin]

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Eh, I think even the common clay / morons whatever will turn on him. They turned on Hoover in '32 after they got four years of dicking over from the Depression and the GOP's response. Even idiots get the message eventually. 

Not when they’ve joined a cult. And not when they’ve tied their entire identity and all sense of self-worth to the man. They have nothing left but stubborn pride. And to admit they were wrong, well, they’d surrender even that, leaving them with nothing.

They’ll never turn on him. They can’t. They’ll ride the plane all the way into the ground, screaming MAGA! all the way.
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Not when they’ve joined a cult. And not when they’ve tied their entire identity and all sense of self-worth to the man. They have nothing left but stubborn pride. And to admit they were wrong, well, they’d surrender even that, leaving them with nothing.

They’ll never turn on him. They can’t. They’ll ride the plane all the way into the ground, screaming MAGA! all the way.

The cult belongs to Fox News and right wing media.  If Fox News turns on Trump, much of the cult would follow.

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Not when they’ve joined a cult. And not when they’ve tied their entire identity and all sense of self-worth to the man. They have nothing left but stubborn pride. And to admit they were wrong, well, they’d surrender even that, leaving them with nothing.

They’ll never turn on him. They can’t. They’ll ride the plane all the way into the ground, screaming MAGA! all the way.

Historically, Populism doesn't have a long shelf life, hopefully this latest wave dies out. I think coordinator has a point, when the people* figure out they are being shit on, they will move on.

* Specifically the blue collar vote in the rust belt.

 

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Historically, Populism doesn't have a long shelf life, hopefully this latest wave dies out. I think coordinator has a point, when the people* figure out they are being shit on, they will move on.

* Specifically the blue collar vote in the rust belt.

 

Populism works better when the populist gives a shit about the populace. Right wing ethnic nationalist populism is nearly impossible to pull off and maintain on its own. You can kick out some folks, but you just cant force private industry to play ball without coercion.  The only play a populist ever really has are left wing moves like nationalization of industry,  and ramping up welfare programs. A socialist populist can open a factory wherever he wants, whether economically ill advised or not. A right wing populist can only beg for it, but in the end, private industrialists prefer dynamic educated labor markets that the rust belt isnt providing. 

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