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Ted Lange
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Now let’s imagine a world where China decides to dump several hundreds of millions of dollars into a campaign to elect a democrat.  And that Democrat openly screams for Beijing’s support.  And uses in

Mojo Hand
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Looks like Elkhart County went for Trump 64-32 over Hillary in 2016, so fuck 'em.  Enjoy the tariffs you voted for! 

Chooky
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Apparently China didn't heed the stark example of what happens to those in a battle of financial wit between Donald Trump and Dennis Rodman. Ask Clint Black or Gene Simmons what happens. Go ahead and

Brisketexan

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Curious. I thought we were winning the easy trade war and everyone was going to benefit. 
 

How many folks just on this board called this outcome?

Break our economy with tariffs, try to fix it with govt handouts. The perfect plate of economic stupidity. Remember when we used to make fun of misguided folks on “the left” for such things? I ‘member.
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Just now, Brisketexan said:


How many folks just on this board called this outcome?

Break our economy with tariffs, try to fix it with govt handouts. The perfect plate of economic stupidity. Remember when we used to make fun of misguided folks on “the left” for such things? I ‘member.

Yes, but the left wanted to give handouts to everybody, including those people who may be citizens but aren't really American. God Emperor Donald Trump knows that only real Americans deserve government support.

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13 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Curious. I thought we were winning the easy trade war and everyone was going to benefit. 

 

So now our tax dollars are being used to bail out farmers who voted for the trade warrior who put them in this predicament?   Surely they won't accept government handouts, especially when a good chunk of the money comes from elitist coastal libs?

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12 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:


How many folks just on this board called this outcome?

Break our economy with tariffs, try to fix it with govt handouts. The perfect plate of economic stupidity. Remember when we used to make fun of misguided folks on “the left” for such things? I ‘member.

When it comes to economic policy he is a flaming liberal. Interference in everything, no free market, layer upon layer of government interjection to fix previous failed interjections.

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6 minutes ago, TornACL said:

When it comes to economic policy he is a flaming liberal. Interference in everything, no free market, layer upon layer of government interjection to fix previous failed interjections.

It's only librul when a librul does it.  It's super duper smart and conservative with an R does it.

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9 minutes ago, TornACL said:

When it comes to economic policy he is a flaming liberal. Interference in everything, no free market, layer upon layer of government interjection to fix previous failed interjections.

Tax and spend is liberal.  Borrow and spend is conservative. 

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2 hours ago, Js1 said:

Curious. I thought we were winning the easy trade war and everyone was going to benefit. 

 

Brought to you by the party of fiscal irresponsibility.

What a fucking shit show. Not that this is a surprise but still, its mind bottling to see.

I can't wait to hear more about free market capitalism from Oatmeal Raisin Bran Cookie as he continues to justify the GOP.

I'll admit, I find liberals pretty annoying but fucking conservatives are worse than a busted hemorrhoid. They are like that fat person perpetually talking about their latest fad diet but can't seem to just eat less food and exercise.

 

 

 

 

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I'll admit, I find liberals pretty annoying but fucking conservatives are worse than a busted hemorrhoid. They are like that fat person perpetually talking about their latest fad diet but can't seem to just eat less food and exercise.

As I've said, this is basically where I've been for a long time. The nonstop rank hypocrisy of the GOP when they claim to care about fiscal responsibility and wanting small government is just stomach-turning. And that's the nicest way to put it that I could come up with.

But it's important to note that there are some principled and actual conservatives out there. Not many but some.

I believe that liberal fiscal policy ideas will inevitably fail, but I also recognize that many if not most of them are arguing for them because they believe that they will help people not just because they think they won't fail. I can have a respectful policy disagreement with someone who thinks they will work as long as I know that person is arguing from a position of wanting to help society and people be as happy and taken care of as possible.

Exactly what about tariffs, a massive trade war, and government handouts to those affected by the terrible policy is actually supposed to help people? Even the farmers getting bailed out are only going to be brought back to a level maybe even with where they started out. And even that's up in the air.

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1 hour ago, Huckleberry said:

This is tax and spend. The tariffs were the taxes.

Trump's policy reminds me of Reagan saying "If it moves, tax it. If it stops moving, subsidize it." 

Although Reagan was criticizing this not advocating it. 

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On 7/16/2018 at 8:25 AM, ScottishHorn said:

It doubled again during Obama's 8 years

 Since I started voting in 1988, no President inherited a bigger bag of burning shit on the whitehouse porch than Obama.  Two active wars, one unnecessary in Iraq and the biggest economic crisis since the Great Depression.

Deficits should increase in that context.  Obama wasn’t perfect by a long shot, but he did pretty well.  Deficits increasing during fat years of peace and economic prosperity should be what pisses you off.

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So fucking true. Welfare is what government gives the other guys.

What I deserve as an American is what the government gives me.

I know I'm turning into Brisketexan by beating the same drum over and over but it's the selfishness of the American voters and the complete unwillingness to bear any sacrifice whatsoever that is destroying the country. The Greatest Generation was fantastic and we owe them everything, but they raised the most selfish group ever and then it has snowballed from there.

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joseph heller nailed this shit decades ago:

 

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Major Major’s father was a sober God-fearing man whose idea of a good joke was to lie about his age. He was a longlimbed farmer, a God-fearing, freedom-loving, law-abiding rugged individualist who held that federal aid to anyone but farmers was creeping socialism. He advocated thrift and hard work and disapproved of loose women who turned him down. His specialty was alfalfa, and he made a good thing out of not growing any. The government paid him well for every bushel of alfalfa he did not grow. The more alfalfa he did not grow, the more money the government gave him, and he spent every penny he didn’t earn on new land to increase the amount of alfalfa he did not produce. Major Major’s father worked without rest at not growing alfalfa. On long winter evenings he remained indoors and did not mend harness, and he sprang out of bed at the crack of noon every day just to make certain that the chores would not be done. He invested in land wisely and soon was not growing more alfalfa than any other man in the county. Neighbors sought him out for advice on all subjects, for he had made much money and was therefore wise. “As ye sow, so shall ye reap,” he counseled one and all, and everyone said, “Amen.” Major Major’s father was an outspoken champion of economy in government, provided it did not interfere with the sacred duty of government to pay farmers as much as they could get for all the alfalfa they produced that no one else wanted or for not producing any alfalfa at all. He was a proud and independent man who was opposed to unemployment insurance and never hesitated to whine, whimper, wheedle and extort for as much as he could get from whomever he could.

catch 22 is probably the best book i've ever read

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1 hour ago, Goredho said:

 Since I started voting in 1988, no President inherited a bigger bag of burning shit on the whitehouse porch than Obama.  Two active wars, one unnecessary in Iraq and the biggest economic crisis since the Great Depression.

Deficits should increase in that context.  Obama wasn’t perfect by a long shot, but he did pretty well.  Deficits increasing during fat years of peace and economic prosperity should be what pisses you off.

This. A thousand times this.

Beginning with Ronald Reagan, Republicans have managed to leave a huge fiscal mess that Democrats are forced to clean up. Then Republicans campaign against all of the painful things Democrats had to do to right the ship. They inevitably win and fuck everything to hell all over again. 

Rinse. Repeat.

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So fucking true. Welfare is what government gives the other guys.
What I deserve as an American is what the government gives me.
I know I'm turning into Brisketexan by beating the same drum over and over but it's the selfishness of the American voters and the complete unwillingness to bear any sacrifice whatsoever that is destroying the country. The Greatest Generation was fantastic and we owe them everything, but they raised the most selfish group ever and then it has snowballed from there.

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34 minutes ago, Message Board User said:

Gee, ya think?

This isn't even hyperbole. Trump gives no fucks about free-market capitalism. He has been pushing us towards a more centralized economy ever since he took office. Although I wouldn't compare it to a Soviet style central planned economy. Trump seems to favor the "third way" that was popular in early 20th century Europe. Its like all of his political knowledge comes from watching documentaries about Mussolini and Hitler on the History Channel. Trump is a fucking fascist.

 

 

 

 

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See, I get that you guys are concerned about this man's third grade grasp of global economy, and the fact that he's an absolute disaster at managing negotiations, diplomacy, crises....hell, even managing his own staff.

But what you guys fail to understand is that he will hug every flag he sees. Which means he loves Flag and he loves America and he is good and if you don't like him you are bad.

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10 hours ago, Mojo Hand said:

So now our tax dollars are being used to bail out farmers who voted for the trade warrior who put them in this predicament?   Surely they won't accept government handouts, especially when a good chunk of the money comes from elitist coastal libs?

To be fair, farmers are on the government tit about as badly as any group you can care to name and have been for about 80 years.

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To be honest I'm somewhat heartened by the fact that the talking points from farm country have been that they'd rather have the tariffs gone than get the subsidies. That's the right answer and I'm glad that's the pushback they're providing rather than just being bought off by the handouts and staying quiet.

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16 hours ago, 4th&Five said:

 

so this has been brought up numerous times: that trump's endgame is a zero sum - no subsidies, no tariffs. i've heard callers on jeff ward's show in the afternoon explaining this because the president cannot do so. one frequent example cited is canada's villainously outrageous tariff on our dairy. this ignores the fact that we heavily subsidize our dairy industry, and therefore the price of our milk is artificially low and non-subsidized canada dairy could not compete.

now, the question is, are we willing to pay more for our milk, and drop that subsidy for our dairy industry so canada can drop their tariff on our milk?

this fucker tries to make things so binary and zero sum, when the reality is much more complex.

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