Fire Shaka Smart

[Goo Punch 4275]

4 minutes ago, Jhawk said:

There cannot be more than 200. I’d like to see the middle of the first half. What does the FEC hold? 

around 16,500.

[Goo Punch 4275]

10 years ago or whatever the Pflugerville HS girls team played Brittney Griner's Nimitz team at the FEC. The entire lower bowl was full and there were hundreds, possibly 1,000+ more up top. Shaka has overseen literally dozens of Texas men's home games with fewer people in attendance, including plenty of conference games, obviously including last night. 

Edited February 20, 2020 by Goo Punch

[NorthLoop 14093]

That's 2 or 3 times now I've seen writers preface their Shaka opinion with "I hate to see a guy lose his job" .. "I hate to make a guy have to move his family" ..... Give me a fucking break. He could retire comfortably right now with all the money we've given him and will have to give him. I'd drag my family to Alaska for the next decade if you gave me that kind of money. 

[XYZ 2154]

I just gave Camelback80 his neg rep #100. Why isn’t he banned yet?

[dcar00 14035]

5 minutes ago, NorthLoop said:

That's 2 or 3 times now I've seen writers preface their Shaka opinion with "I hate to see a guy lose his job" .. "I hate to make a guy have to move his family" ..... Give me a fucking break. He could retire comfortably right now with all the money we've given him and will have to give him. I'd drag my family to Alaska for the next decade if you gave me that kind of money. 

exactly. who fucking cares.  he sucks at his job for what he was, is, and will be paid. BYE!

[Goo Punch 4275]

4 minutes ago, NorthLoop said:

That's 2 or 3 times now I've seen writers preface their Shaka opinion with "I hate to see a guy lose his job" .. "I hate to make a guy have to move his family" ..... Give me a fucking break. He could retire comfortably right now with all the money we've given him and will have to give him. I'd drag my family to Alaska for the next decade if you gave me that kind of money. 

yeah, they say all of that while releasing their breaking fucking news article that Shaka Smart sucks and needs to go. fucking hilarious how all of the pay sites and "high brow" blogs are just now coming out with this shit about Shaka needing to be fired, after years of them all bending over backwards to make excuses for him under the self deluded guise of objectivity. fuck all of those idiots. man, thanks for releasing this "content" guys, up until now none of us knew what to think about the guy. 

[DanTheHorn 4901]

1 hour ago, LTtxfan said:

Do you think Shaka Smart will be fired after the season? Does he deserve to be fired?

Some back in 2018

No and Yes he does because we are just delaying the inevitable since we don't see this guy becoming any good.

Surly Now

Yes and Yes

@Camelback80

Edited February 20, 2020 by DanTheHorn

[Goo Punch 4275]

i guess now all we need is for TexasStrong and greggym to release an email blast announcing that, as much as they like the guy and hate to see him have to move, that in their opinions Shaka just might be on the hot seat right now. 

[TXSooner518 2432]

2 hours ago, LTtxfan said:

Smart will have as many March Madness misses in five seasons (three) as Tom Penders and Rick Barnes had combined in their 27 basketball seasons on the Forty Acres.

That's an OOOOOF

[Wally Pryor 5244]

1 hour ago, Vic Mackey said:

 

Based upon what I saw in the lower bowl on tv once the game started, I was shocked to see as many people there as I did.

[smwhorn 481]

1 hour ago, Vic Mackey said:

 

Dude.  Don't judge.  There was a lot of traffic.  And parking issues.  And concession and bathroom lines.  And all those people in line to buy tickets.

Edited February 20, 2020 by smwhorn

[NorthLoop 14093]

4 minutes ago, smwhorn said:

Dude.  Don't judge.  There was a lot of traffic.  And parking issues.  And concession and bathroom lines.

Shaka is just unlucky to coach in a city with bad traffic. 

[Goo Punch 4275]

i thought that i'd be totally numb by now, but it still bugs the shit out of me how Shaka's demeanor hasn't changed one iota during his tenure here. i'd like to see him comporting himself like a guy who knows he's a dead man walking but who wants to prove that he can still coach. more sober/stoic on the sideline throughout the games, mixed in with some visible disappointment whenever your guys fuck up. get tougher and more demanding out there. start auditioning for your next job now. just keep it very business-like, you know?

NOPE. Dude is throwing dance parties for last second victories at home against McNeese State. on the sidelines he's giddy and ecstatic and celebrating like he just won a tourney game as we finally pull away from a terrible TCU team in the final couple of minutes. he's all smiles and bright eyes after it's over as if he's totally unaware that playing in front of 1,500 people should be completely embarrassing. he comports himself like a guy who just signed a new five year deal. he is fucking clueless, and it's aggravating to see how little his own abysmal performance upsets him. 

[Jhawk 1075]

10 minutes ago, Goo Punch said:

i thought that i'd be totally numb by now, but it still bugs the shit out of me how Shaka's demeanor hasn't changed one iota during his tenure here. i'd like to see him comporting himself like a guy who knows he's a dead man walking but who wants to prove that he can still coach. more sober/stoic on the sideline throughout the games, mixed in with some visible disappointment whenever your guys fuck up. get tougher and more demanding out there. start auditioning for your next job now. just keep it very business-like, you know?

NOPE. Dude is throwing dance parties for last second victories at home against McNeese State. on the sidelines he's giddy and ecstatic and celebrating like he just won a tourney game as we finally pull away from a terrible TCU team in the final couple of minutes. he's all smiles and bright eyes after it's over as if he's totally unaware that playing in front of 1,500 people should be completely embarrassing. he comports himself like a guy who just signed a new five year deal. he is fucking clueless, and it's aggravating to see how little his own abysmal performance upsets him. 

Obviously I don’t live it like you guys do, but it still chaps my ass that we lost to Vcu. but the thing that really pisses me off about him is how he always approaches the refs or the court with his hands in his pockets and his elbows sticking out as far as possible. What the fuck even is that?? 

[Napoleon 8607]

16 minutes ago, Goo Punch said:

i thought that i'd be totally numb by now, but it still bugs the shit out of me how Shaka's demeanor hasn't changed one iota during his tenure here. i'd like to see him comporting himself like a guy who knows he's a dead man walking but who wants to prove that he can still coach. more sober/stoic on the sideline throughout the games, mixed in with some visible disappointment whenever your guys fuck up. get tougher and more demanding out there. start auditioning for your next job now. just keep it very business-like, you know?

NOPE. Dude is throwing dance parties for last second victories at home against McNeese State. on the sidelines he's giddy and ecstatic and celebrating like he just won a tourney game as we finally pull away from a terrible TCU team in the final couple of minutes. he's all smiles and bright eyes after it's over as if he's totally unaware that playing in front of 1,500 people should be completely embarrassing. he comports himself like a guy who just signed a new five year deal. he is fucking clueless, and it's aggravating to see how little his own abysmal performance upsets him. 

So...

...he’s like “Lennie” from Of Mice and Men.

[immortal13 4059]

2 hours ago, Vic Mackey said:

 

Jfc

[idigTexas 2266]

4 hours ago, Mileslong said:

Smart and Strong is no way to live your life...

Shaka Khanned

I'm holding out for Shaka Canned

[Napoleon 8607]

4 hours ago, Mileslong said:

Shaka Khanned

I feel for you.

21 minutes ago, idigTexas said:

I'm holding out for Shaka Canned

I think I love you.

 

 

Edited February 20, 2020 by Napoleon

[jimmyjazz 45560]

2 hours ago, Goo Punch said:

10 years ago or whatever the Pflugerville HS girls team played Brittney Griner's Nimitz team at the FEC. 

Heh.  My niece played in that game for PHS.  She was terrified going in . . . and afterwards, she confirmed her terror was well-placed.

[closetohumping 17401]

3 hours ago, Vic Mackey said:

 

I thought tcu fans traveled well?

[Tex Pete 20179]

4 hours ago, LTtxfan said:

https://247sports.com/college/texas/Article/Texas-Longhorns-basketball-Shaka-Smart-coaching-hot-seats-NCAA-Tournament--144012171/

Will Texas fire Shaka Smart after the season?

By:  TAYLOR ESTES 19 hours ago

Each week, the Horns247 staff tackles the Question of the Week, where we dive into some of the hottest topics surrounding the University of Texas and beyond.  With Texas basketball continuing to struggle down the stretch in Big 12 play, all eyes are on the future of head coach Shaka Smart. Questions about Smart’s job security have been on-going for the last few years, but have only increased this season as it looks like the Longhorns could miss the NCAA Tournament for the second-straight season.

With that said, the Question of the Week is …

Do you think Shaka Smart will be fired after the season? Does he deserve to be fired?

 

How has that not been the question of the week every single week?

[OU Sucks 8746]

Well, the one positive thing that came out of this is we discovered Will Baker can play well in front of 50 people or less.

[Jhawk 1075]

20 minutes ago, OU Sucks said:

Well, the one positive thing that came out of this is we discovered Will Baker can play well in front of 50 people or less.

He’s just got what Ricky Williams has. 

[Deej 76568]

44 minutes ago, OU Sucks said:

Well, the one positive thing that came out of this is we discovered Will Baker can play well in front of 50 people or less.

Gotta love those players that can only play loose when no one is watching.

[orangecat92 306]

but seriously if you do not count people who are part of the game production, It looks like there might be 400 or 500 fans at the game, based on the pictures.  Don't count the band, and anybody who is working. 

That is obviously a money loser for every game that would happen.   If you project that kind of crowd over the next year, CDC might realize that the athletic program is better off to fire him at the end of this season vs. waiting until the end of next season.  

It is all about the money, some of us claim, and the money almost certainly says fire him this year, as opposed to next year. 

 

 

[PantsTent 2002]

I'd put it at about 1500-2000 actual people once it was about 10min into the game.  Definitely the lowest for a conference game I've seen this year or years past.

(yes, I was there)

[ztejas 43266]

2 hours ago, closetohumping said:

I thought tcu fans traveled well?

Maybe for football. Their basketball team historically sucks a lot of dick. 

[Jhawk 1075]

so let’s say 6500 tickets are always bought. Maybe people aren’t there but football ticket holders buy basketball too (Ku requires this). And let’s say the average face price is $40. If you miss 10k people a game that’s 400k. Say those 10k people spend $10 on food/bev then you’re at 500k a game. Usually about 14-15 home games a season so that’s $7.5M right there. Plus the 6k of people who aren’t spending $10 on a game because the season tickets aren’t showing and that’s another $900k over the season. You’re not far off from the buyout and if you don’t have to pay a second buyout for the next coach then this thing is paid off real quick. 
 

the question will be if CDC is doing enough legwork to get private donations for the money. If he can even get $3M then this should be a done deal provided the donors and money people sign off on Matta or Beilein. 

[Underdog 28457]

I was told there'd be no math. 

[Brothahorn 10085]

Brown is one and done.  he just wants to play for a coach who will let him practice for the NBA for one year.

Exactly. I do not give a damn if we lose him. What exactly have we gotten from all of our other great year players? Especially the ones under Shaka.

[zzz 199]

6 hours ago, Jhawk said:

Obviously I don’t live it like you guys do, but it still chaps my ass that we lost to Vcu. but the thing that really pisses me off about him is how he always approaches the refs or the court with his hands in his pockets and his elbows sticking out as far as possible. What the fuck even is that?? 

Sweaty arm pits? Trying to make himself look bigger/more intimidating? Just spit ballin here

[Goo Punch 4275]

9 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

Heh.  My niece played in that game for PHS.  She was terrified going in . . . and afterwards, she confirmed her terror was well-placed.

my mom just kept shaking her head the entire night while emphatically stating, "that's a dude." lol. Griner was doing two-hand tomahawk dunks during warmups and then staring down the PHS students, lmao. i'll never forget that game. 

[orangecat92 306]

9 hours ago, PantsTent said:

I'd put it at about 1500-2000 actual people once it was about 10min into the game.  Definitely the lowest for a conference game I've seen this year or years past.

(yes, I was there)

These are weltlich era numbers.  We are approaching the basement, at least with attendance.  

[Burt Macklin 18998]

3 hours ago, orangecat92 said:

These are weltlich era numbers.  We are approaching the basement, at least with attendance.  

This is what CDC signed up for when he brought Shaka back. The season cratering and no one attending the games was always the most likely outcome.

[Goo Punch 4275]

reminder that before the season, so, five months ago, BitterWhiteGuy *literally* said that Shaka was doing as well as we could have expected from *any* coach we possibly could have hired back in 2015. but hey, kudos on finally seeing what's right in front of you. 

[Jhawk 1075]

The combination of whiffing on recruits and not coaching kids up is startling. Did Shaka get these kids because no other coach thought they were actually good? Does he not player develop? Is it both? What in the fuck is going on?

these are thoughts that go through my head from the outside looking in. Which probably means every other person in cbb is wondering the same thing. Which kinda makes Shaka a laughingstock. You don’t want a laughingstock coach. That’s Kevin stallings type shit. 

[Bitterwhiteguy 153]

20 hours ago, texifornia said:

Someone mixed up their Don't Tread On Me with their Come And Take It

I did. I'm a terrible native Texan.

Edited February 21, 2020 by Bitterwhiteguy

[Dbeasy 14969]

Obviously I don’t live it like you guys do, but it still chaps my ass that we lost to Vcu. but the thing that really pisses me off about him is how he always approaches the refs or the court with his hands in his pockets and his elbows sticking out as far as possible. What the fuck even is that?? 

Exactly! And when his piss hits the sides of the urinal, it sounds effeminate.

[Burt Macklin 18998]

58 minutes ago, Jhawk said:

The combination of whiffing on recruits and not coaching kids up is startling. Did Shaka get these kids because no other coach thought they were actually good? Does he not player develop? Is it both? What in the fuck is going on?

these are thoughts that go through my head from the outside looking in. Which probably means every other person in cbb is wondering the same thing. Which kinda makes Shaka a laughingstock. You don’t want a laughingstock coach. That’s Kevin stallings type shit. 

He didn’t whiff on very many recruits and most of the guys he’s landed we’re nationally recruited guys with good offers. 
 

Shaka’s issues weren’t ability to recruit or even so much evaluations. He had a couple bad misses, like taking Young over Carson Edwards, but Guys like Sims and Hayes were really good evals. Same for AJ. He was playing amazing before cancer hit. Even Tevin Mack was good before he got kicked off the team. 
 

Shaka’s issues are inability to coach/develop and inability to determine what skill sets he needs to fit his system. He’s never been able to find a stretch 4 in a system that absolutely needs one to be effective. He also just generally couldn’t find shooters in a “system” where he lets guys take way too many bad 3s with no repercussions. 
 

I think this team is pretty talented, but it’s obscured by horrible coaching. Febres has been absolutely terrible, but asking him to guard bigs in a 4 guard lineup and letting him jack up terrible 3s with no punishment Is setting him up to fail. A coach who deploys him in a favorable defensive matchup and reins in his shot selection could have a very useful player on their hands. Same goes for the point guards in shaka’s system. They’re asked to produce in an offense that gets no open looks and gives them no direction. Ramey flashed a lot his freshman year and now he’s regressed with a full year of Shaka’s coaching. 
 

If attrition doesn’t decimate our roster, I think we could have a really good team next year under a good coach, which is part of why I’m high in Beilein. Even if he isn’t here long, he could win a lot of games starting year 1 and set the program on a really good trajectory.
 

We need a known quantity for HC. This isn’t the time to gamble on a young, high variance hire. 

[VinyVango 677]

I can see positives in about every player on the current roster... a problem has been the free reign / lack of repercussions environment that allows for really bad decision making and bad habit development to flourish and doesn't punish or call-out recurring lack of effort and focus on the more difficult / less sexy stuff like boxing out, taking a charge, interior passing, and movement without the ball.

We have no 5-tool players on this team.  Running the iso / 5-out set and allowing everyone to shoot beyond the NBA 3-point line at will is asinine.  

Whoever inherits this roster, even if a good chunk of it bails out with the coach, will have some positive things to work with.   We could use a calm and confident ball handler with better vision and another player on the roster besides Sims who can gather a rebound in a crowd (Kai may be that guy with another 15 lbs of muscle). 

 

In my opinion, it would be ideal if 2 or 3 of our stationary swing men departed with Shaka so that the new coach could bring in more than one player next year.  Give me about 3 of the Liddell, Williams, Cunningham, AJ, Febres group and allow the remainder to go with Shaka to the east or west coast.

[Beau Vine 54003]

On 2/19/2020 at 9:40 AM, torre said:

siap

 

Eyes on Brown: The father of Vandegrift basketball star Greg Brown III told me Tuesday little has changed in the recruitment of his 6′8″ son. But he reiterated the family line that he is only considering Texas if it retains Shaka Smart. Asked for an update, he said that the possibility of Smart’s firing “definitely will send Greg elsewhere.” 

 

https://www.statesman.com/sports/20200218/bohls-big-12-itrsquos-your-turn-to-step-up

[Beau Vine 54003]

23 hours ago, Vic Mackey said:

 

My favorite part of this is the Plucker's ad blasting at about 120 decibels.

[orangecat92 306]

3 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

My favorite part of this is the Plucker's ad blasting at about 120 decibels.

Now, we’re getting somewhere.  Ad revenue will plummet, because what company will want to spin their wheels offering stuff, if they know there will be possibly 2000 fans in attendance.  

The financial equation becomes worse every day for bringing him back.  

[Tired Horn 734]

2 hours ago, Burt Macklin said:

He didn’t whiff on very many recruits and most of the guys he’s landed we’re nationally recruited guys with good offers. 
 

Shaka’s issues weren’t ability to recruit or even so much evaluations. He had a couple bad misses, like taking Young over Carson Edwards, but Guys like Sims and Hayes were really good evals. Same for AJ. He was playing amazing before cancer hit. Even Tevin Mack was good before he got kicked off the team. 
 

Shaka’s issues are inability to coach/develop and inability to determine what skill sets he needs to fit his system. He’s never been able to find a stretch 4 in a system that absolutely needs one to be effective. He also just generally couldn’t find shooters in a “system” where he lets guys take way too many bad 3s with no repercussions. 
 

I think this team is pretty talented, but it’s obscured by horrible coaching. Febres has been absolutely terrible, but asking him to guard bigs in a 4 guard lineup and letting him jack up terrible 3s with no punishment Is setting him up to fail. A coach who deploys him in a favorable defensive matchup and reins in his shot selection could have a very useful player on their hands. Same goes for the point guards in shaka’s system. They’re asked to produce in an offense that gets no open looks and gives them no direction. Ramey flashed a lot his freshman year and now he’s regressed with a full year of Shaka’s coaching. 
 

If attrition doesn’t decimate our roster, I think we could have a really good team next year under a good coach, which is part of why I’m high in Beilein. Even if he isn’t here long, he could win a lot of games starting year 1 and set the program on a really good trajectory.
 

We need a known quantity for HC. This isn’t the time to gamble on a young, high variance hire. 

This is the part I just don't get. Post-havoc, Shaka has simply defined no functional approach to winning basketball. 

WTF. How is that even possible? What does he tell himself in the recesses of his own mind when he watches this team play?

Does he really not know how to do this? Some coaches aren't ultimately successful for a variety of reasons, but it's generally not because they fail open at one of the very first tasks any coach at this level simply must be capable of. It's like we hired a plumber who refuses to disconnect pipes.   

[Herpa Derpa 6112]

5 hours ago, Goo Punch said:

reminder that before the season, so, five months ago, BitterWhiteGuy *literally* said that Shaka was doing as well as we could have expected from *any* coach we possibly could have hired back in 2015. but hey, kudos on finally seeing what's right in front of you. 

tasty jelly.

[CurlyDumps 4440]

19 minutes ago, Tired Horn said:

This is the part I just don't get. Post-havoc, Shaka has simply defined no functional approach to winning basketball. 

This is the best distillation of an explanation as to why Shaka failed.

I've gathered that Shaka junked Havoc because he thought it would limit his ceiling in terms of recruiting. Which I have no problem with in theory. But to call his new "plan" or "vision" half-baked is a massive understatement. Five years in, he doesn't even have anything in the oven. 

I suspect he took the Texas job and turned down places like UCLA because he was at least somewhat aware of his limitations and inexperience, and thought he'd have time to find his way and figure shit out on the job. I think that mindset blew up in his face. It might get you by in the CAA or A10, but in a big boy conference like the Big12, a coach should probably show up with some kind of fleshed out plan or vision on day one. 

[Lurch 5921]

so let’s say 6500 tickets are always bought. Maybe people aren’t there but football ticket holders buy basketball too (Ku requires this). And let’s say the average face price is $40. If you miss 10k people a game that’s 400k. Say those 10k people spend $10 on food/bev then you’re at 500k a game. Usually about 14-15 home games a season so that’s $7.5M right there. Plus the 6k of people who aren’t spending $10 on a game because the season tickets aren’t showing and that’s another $900k over the season. You’re not far off from the buyout and if you don’t have to pay a second buyout for the next coach then this thing is paid off real quick. 
 
the question will be if CDC is doing enough legwork to get private donations for the money. If he can even get $3M then this should be a done deal provided the donors and money people sign off on Matta or Beilein. 

It’s cute that you think a coaching change will result in a packed house throughout a Longhorn basketball season.

Your approach is right, but cut your attendance delta in half.

[dcar00 14035]

1 hour ago, CurlyDumps said:

This is the best distillation of an explanation as to why Shaka failed.

I've gathered that Shaka junked Havoc because he thought it would limit his ceiling in terms of recruiting. Which I have no problem with in theory. But to call his new "plan" or "vision" half-baked is a massive understatement. Five years in, he doesn't even have anything in the oven. 

I suspect he took the Texas job and turned down places like UCLA because he was at least somewhat aware of his limitations and inexperience, and thought he'd have time to find his way and figure shit out on the job. I think that mindset blew up in his face. It might get you by in the CAA or A10, but in a big boy conference like the Big12, a coach should probably show up with some kind of fleshed out plan or vision on day one. 

hindsight is that it would have been much easier to do that in the pac10 at UCLA. yeah he probably thought, I just need to make the tournament and win a game at Texas and they will keep me for life.  easy peasy. I guess no coach predicts he will be a colossal failure.

[XYZ 2154]

Shaka: “I run a very specialized system that I call HAVOC. That’s how I win”

Texas: “You’re hired”

Shaka: “I’m not gonna run HAVOC at Texas”

[jimmyjazz 45560]

I'm pretty sure "Havoc" is the least intensive scheme from a preparation standpoint.  Recruit good athletes, condition the hell out of them, and coach them to run the other team's ass off.  Even moderate basketball skills will get you to moderate success.

I think he believes too highly in his skills as a coach.  The fact that I have almost never heard him mention any schematic approach to the game would tend to support such a conclusion -- it's all about "buy-in" and "connectivity" and "will power".  Platitudes are important, but I'm pretty fucking sure Bobby Knight could get this team farther with zero platitudes.