Fire Shaka Smart

[TexArcher 37543]

Just now, TrashMaster G said:

What happened?  Step on a Lego barefooted?

I wish Shaka would.

[BornOrange 1441]

1 minute ago, TrashMaster G said:

What happened?  Step on a Lego barefooted?

Refer to my previous post two spots above that one.

FUCKING SHAKA SMART!!!!

[TwiceHorn 31316]

3 hours ago, Pancho said:

 

 

Look, I’m as pro-Black, rooting for erreybody Black type.  I’m pro “us.”

This whole race thing will NOT be a fucking narrative.  I think some posters want media to play the race card so they can say “see I told you!”  If Texas fired Shaka after 2-3 years, then yeah that card would 100% be played and arguments could be had that race was a factor. 

But year 6?  Nah, bruh.  That won’t be a storyline because we have 6 years of proof to show why he should be fired including the best team he’s ever had at Texas that just lost to a fucking Southland school that was playing D2 ball less than 10 years ago. 

It's just my cynicism toward the media.  The longer I think about it, the more I can see an article:  Can a Black Coach Succeed at The University of Texas?

And it won't claim Shaka was fired because he's black, but it wlll ask if there's something peculiar going on in Austin, Texas.

And it might be an interesting and provocative article, even without "Black" in the title.  Lord knows we've speculated that there's something systemically wrong with UT Athletics for the last 10-15 years or so.

Edited March 21, 2021 by TwiceHorn

[TexArcher 37543]

7 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

The longer I think about it, the more I can see an article:  Can a Black Coach Succeed at The University of Texas?

And it won't claim Shaka was fired because he's black, but it wlll ask if there's something peculiar going on in Austin, Texas.

I think this will definitely happen.

We're about to fire a black coach who's a helluva nice guy and good with the media for the second time in just a few years.  And in each case, he was our first black coach in that sport.  I'm not saying it's right, because both of those coaches sucked dog dicks at, ya know, coaching, but it's going to be talked about, a lot, in the media.

And I really don't care.  I accepted a long time ago that a lot of people are always going to hate us.  I just want to win again.

[closetohumping 17408]

6 hours ago, Red Five said:

Yeah but to be fair, those three teams were Northern Iowa, Nevada, and Abilene Christian. The Devil's Triangle, imo. 

That’s my nickname for south Austin’s moms snatch

[Blotto 23434]

9 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

It's just my cynicism toward the media.  The longer I think about it, the more I can see an article:  Can a Black Coach Succeed at The University of Texas?

And it won't claim Shaka was fired because he's black, but it wlll ask if there's something peculiar going on in Austin, Texas.

And it might be an interesting and provocative article, even without "Black" in the title.  Lord knows we've speculated that there's something systemically wrong with UT Athletics for the last 10-15 years or so.

Mack Brown was practically black and he did just fine, at least for a while. Don't forget he downloaded hours of hiphop onto his ipod. 50 cent and everything. 

[Newy25 7638]

3 hours ago, Dr. Beeper said:

The number of idiots here, who think that race or the very measly buyout will be any factor, astounds me. 

The race issue is absurd but as of about 30 minutes ago, you did not have the money lined up to pay the buyouts and money whip a big name coach. Measly is a matter of opinion of course but for the Texas staff it’s in the 8–10M range plus whatever buyout you pay for a big name coach. 

Herman was dead to the BMD’s and they would have paid twice the amount to get him to go away. That’s not the case yet with basketball. CDC is going to have to a little bit of selling in order for that to happen. 

[Newy25 7638]

18 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

It's just my cynicism toward the media.  The longer I think about it, the more I can see an article:  Can a Black Coach Succeed at The University of Texas? 

The Texas Tribune already has the article written. 

[shadow_operative 15932]

it is so strange and surreal to watch these other games and witness just how many other teams are well coached and feature competent, confident players. haven't seen that at Texas since Shaka's first year. oh that hurts my heart. 

[6th Street 6357]

CDC is an empty suit. I don't think he feels any urgency to act here and fire Shaka

[Scholz 11937]

12 minutes ago, Blotto said:

Mack Brown was practically black 

Agreed

 

[David Dennison 18679]

23 minutes ago, TexArcher said:

I think this will definitely happen.

We're about to fire a black coach who's a helluva nice guy and good with the media for the second time in just a few years.  And in each case, he was our first black coach in that sport.  I'm not saying it's right, because both of those coaches sucked dog dicks at, ya know, coaching, but it's going to be talked about, a lot, in the media.

And I really don't care.  I accepted a long time ago that a lot of people are always going to hate us.  I just want to win again.

He's had six fucking seasons to get his shit together.

He failed here. Time to move on.

[David Dennison 18679]

16 minutes ago, Newy25 said:

The Texas Tribune already has the article written. 

And pearls are already being clutched.

[Royale with cheese 1461]

2 hours ago, Huckleberry said:

Good God there are so many pussies in Texas fandom.

Yes, some people will try to paint it as racist and negative recruit based on the fact we fired a black coach. The proper response to that should be "so fucking what?" because that won't last long. If you hire the right coach and start winning while simultaneously producing NBA draft picks it won't matter if he's fucking purple.

Congratulations on pointing out the obvious that rivals and opponents will use anything they can possibly use to negative recruit against us. Now that everybody has a firm grasp of the obvious we can move forward to the part where it doesn't make a single bit of difference on how we should proceed because it don't make a shit.

Ah, quoting Bill Bradley when the referee asked whether he wanted heads or tails at the coin toss of the 1968 aggy game. Bradley said, "It don't make a shit." Apparently, he was right. The score was 35-14 'Horns. 

[TrashMaster G 17395]

13 minutes ago, 6th Street said:

CDC is an empty suit. I don't think he feels any urgency to act here and fire Shaka

🙄

[JimmyJames 12271]

18 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

He's had six fucking seasons to get his shit together.

He failed here. Time to move on.

This. Who cares if Shaka is black, brown, yellow or purple. It’s been six fucking years. Nothing to show for it and should have been fired 3-4 years ago.  People bringing race into this somehow are just straight up trolling. 

Edited March 21, 2021 by JimmyJames

[shadow_operative 15932]

crazy/painful: Shaka's 2011 VCU team never ever ever should have been given an at-large bid. that one decision by the 2011 Tourney Committee changed Shaka's life forever. Now, instead of being the coach at some middling Ohio Valley school, he's fleecing Texas for millions of dollars every year along with even more millions in buyout money. that one decision to let that shitty VCU team into the tourney changed everything for Shaka, and ultimately Texas Hoops as well. fucking hell that's depressing to think about. 

[Hagbard Celine 10771]

2 hours ago, Underdog said:

The right coach could possibly turn that chicken shit into chicken salad.  

this.

the right coach could take the best 20 guys out of gregory on a tuesday night and beat fucking abiliene fucking christian

[Hagbard Celine 10771]

2 hours ago, Brothahorn said:

Also the longer CDC waits to pull the trigger the more likely Shaka is staying

we said that about the turtle

[Underdog 28460]

I look back to Pitino's first year at UK and his starting Center was 6-7 and he had Sutton holdovers Pelphrey,  Feldhaus, Woods and Farmer, yet he implemented his style of play no matter what and that team finished 14-14 with 2 wins over ranked teams Bama and a Chris Jackson/Shaq led LSU team.  They were affectionately called Pitino's Bombinos.  I seriously doubt any other coach replicates that and I remember PJ Carlisimo was a serious contender before RP came into the picture.  The following year he nabbed Mashburn and the rest is history they say. 

[SquishMitten 10402]

crazy/painful: Shaka's 2011 VCU team never ever ever should have been given an at-large bid. that one decision by the 2011 Tourney Committee changed Shaka's life forever. Now, instead of being the coach at some middling Ohio Valley school, he's fleecing Texas for millions of dollars every year along with even more millions in buyout money. that one decision to let that shitty VCU team into the tourney changed everything for Shaka, and ultimately Texas Hoops as well. fucking hell that's depressing to think about. 

Wat? Pretty sure they justified themselves getting a bid.

[Nivek 16872]

crazy/painful: Shaka's 2011 VCU team never ever ever should have been given an at-large bid. that one decision by the 2011 Tourney Committee changed Shaka's life forever. Now, instead of being the coach at some middling Ohio Valley school, he's fleecing Texas for millions of dollars every year along with even more millions in buyout money. that one decision to let that shitty VCU team into the tourney changed everything for Shaka, and ultimately Texas Hoops as well. fucking hell that's depressing to think about. 

It isn’t Shaka’s fault. It was Texas’ fault, for hiring that fraud Patterson. Everything he touched, turned to shit.

[Machinator 32098]

The statement also ignores the fact that VCU still won five games in a row to get to the Final Four after earning that bid.

[HtownHorn 14501]

2 hours ago, Machinator said:

Dana Altman's name also doesn't seem to come up much here. Is it because we're convinced that Oregon can outbid us?

He's 62. Sometimes these guys just don't want to start over at that age.

[Pancho 44529]

It’s not just that Altman is 62 but it’s also that he’s at a program that is equal to Texas.  Why leave Oregon for Texas when Texas is just another Oregon? 

[Machinator 32098]

Just now, Pancho said:

It’s not just that Altman is 62 but it’s also that he’s at a program that is equal to Texas.  Why leave Oregon for Texas when Texas is just another Oregon? 

I get it, but why are people yelling about moneywhipping Underwood or Musselman, then?

[jw4381 3064]

Can we go for Alabama's offensive coordinator? Do they have those in basketball?

 

 

<sarcasm> sort of

Edited March 22, 2021 by jw4381

[Mo Horn 8808]

2 minutes ago, jw4381 said:

Can we go for Alabama's offensive coordinator? Do they have those in basketball?

 

 

<sarcasm> sort of

Avery Johnson is available, probably as close as you'll get. 

[Pancho 44529]

2 minutes ago, Machinator said:

I get it, but why are people yelling about moneywhipping Underwood or Musselman, then?

Iv’e already explained why Underwood isn’t happening. 

Muss?  Arkansas is equal to Texas yes, but Muss is younger.  That’s one reason. Dana can retire at Oregon.  

[TexArcher 37543]

I can't even believe that we're having this conversation.  Not that Shaka hasn't learned how to coach, but that we're SIX FUCKING YEARS into this train wreck.

The man's had twice as many years as Charlie Strong.  How??  He has a losing record in the conference.  He's never won a tournament game.  How did he ever get a fourth year, much less a fifth and a sixth?

Nice guy?  I don't give a shit.  Good father?  Fuck you!  Go home and play with your kids.  You want to work here...  Close.

Edited March 22, 2021 by TexArcher

[Laxtonto 11934]

With all of these upsets this tournament I am concerned that CDC will use the blanket excuse that COVID has screwed up the tournament so much that this years results shouldn’t be used against Shaka and he will take the cowards way out and give him one more year because of it.

[BurntOrangeBlooded15 1564]

I’m sayin fuck it and calling Sampson.  Look at the coaching staff we got when we said fuck it with football.  He may be snakey but that fucker wins. 

[CashMcCoy 3199]

Watched every minute of the first two days, haven't even bothered to turn on the TV today. FUCK YOU SHAKA SMART. For me, easily the most devastating loss for a UT squad since Bama in the Rose Bowl, but I'm a huge basketball fan (and way too emotional about this shit). Wouldn't be surprised if it has the same implications and the basketball program struggles for years to get out of the bottom third of the conference, unless we absolutely kill this next hire. Fire this motherfucker now.

[VonZipper 50]

If the guy CDC is going after is in the tourney, you won't hear anything until his team is done... He won't fire Shaka until he has something definitive from the new coach. I'd like to see them go after Greg McDermott, he's taken a lot of flak for using the P word, plantation, and my be looking to get out of Omaha.

[Machinator 32098]

5 minutes ago, TexArcher said:

The man's had twice as many years as Charlie Strong.  How??  He has a losing record in the conference.  He's never won a tournament game.  How did he ever get a fourth year, much less a fifth and a sixth?

 

In year 3, he lost his best player to cancer.

And, it's basketball.

[ShowMeALoss 143]

Why not reach out Tom Izzo? I know it seems like an improbable hire but I think he makes sense for several reasons. He is already in the hall of fame and there is nothing more he can achieve at Michigan State that he already hasn't. His salary is not too high for Texas to beat (not sure about the buyout though). With the rise of Michigan, it will be harder for him to win the Big 10 and losing to Michigan more often than not won't sit well with their fanbase who might see him as someone who is past his prime ala Mack Brown. A fresh start somewhere else can do wonders for him.

 

[Pancho 44529]

“He used the P word.  He gon be fired.”

”Pussy?”

”naw nigga.  Worse.  ‘Plantation.’”

”Dear Mr. McDermott, we regret to inform you....”

[Pancho 44529]

1 minute ago, ShowMeALoss said:

Why not reach out Tom Izzo? I know it seems like an improbable hire but I think he makes sense for several reasons. He is already in the hall of fame and there is nothing more he can achieve at Michigan State that he already hasn't. His salary is not too high for Texas to beat (not sure about the buyout though). With the rise of Michigan, it will be harder for him to win the Big 10 and losing to Michigan more often than not won't sit well with their fanbase who might see him as someone who is past his prime ala Mack Brown. A fresh start somewhere else can do wonders for him.

 

[Machinator 32098]

Anyway, Tech lost, so if our BMDs want to throw cash at Beard, now's the time.

[TexArcher 37543]

2 minutes ago, ShowMeALoss said:

Why not reach out Tom Izzo? I know it seems like an improbable hire but I think he makes sense for several reasons. He is already in the hall of fame and there is nothing more he can achieve at Michigan State that he already hasn't. His salary is not too high for Texas to beat (not sure about the buyout though). With the rise of Michigan, it will be harder for him to win the Big 10 and losing to Michigan more often than not won't sit well with their fanbase who might see him as someone who is past his prime ala Mack Brown. A fresh start somewhere else can do wonders for him.

 

[BradInATX 9208]

4 minutes ago, ShowMeALoss said:

Why not reach out Tom Izzo? I know it seems like an improbable hire but I think he makes sense for several reasons. He is already in the hall of fame and there is nothing more he can achieve at Michigan State that he already hasn't. His salary is not too high for Texas to beat (not sure about the buyout though). With the rise of Michigan, it will be harder for him to win the Big 10 and losing to Michigan more often than not won't sit well with their fanbase who might see him as someone who is past his prime ala Mack Brown. A fresh start somewhere else can do wonders for him.

 

 

And if that doesn't work out? Call Gregg Popovich. 

[TwiceHorn 31316]

1 hour ago, TrashMaster G said:

🙄

If he "feels no urgency," it's because the money isn't there.

Given that we have swallowed most or all of our capital projects pigs, and the Tom Herman pig, I think it's highly likely that the now manageable buyout is there.

[Beantown Express 2.0 6556]

1 minute ago, BradInATX said:

 

And if that doesn't work out? Call Gregg Popovich. 

Popovich?  Now your just being ridiculous.  I’m thinking we see if Nick Saban wants to coach basketball.  Can’t be worse than Shaka and we know he will cheat to get the best players.  

[Machinator 32098]

3 minutes ago, BradInATX said:

 

And if that doesn't work out? Call Gregg Popovich. 

Maybe the Ghost of Red Auerbach will oblige.

[ShowMeALoss 143]

5 minutes ago, BradInATX said:

 

And if that doesn't work out? Call Gregg Popovich. 

No, that is missing my point. Izzo seems like one of the legends who maybe obtainable given his current situation. Getting the right basketball HC is hard and nobody knows who would work out. I am just throwing out my observation. You may or may not agree just like other suggestions people are throwing out there.

[BradInATX 9208]

9 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

If he "feels no urgency," it's because the money isn't there.

Given that we have swallowed most or all of our capital projects pigs, and the Tom Herman pig, I think it's highly likely that the now manageable buyout is there.

I'm sure the money is there if he wants it. I just think they're going to be looking at timing. Unless you can get whoever you think is the absolute home run hire (for me this would be Beard only), as an AD, waiting a year might make sense. You don't really want to saddle your new HC with the shit show that next year will be, because then you're going to go into the new stadium coming off a bad year and no coaching change to give people hope and re-invigorate the fans.

Lots of moving pieces to that though. Who they think are the home run hires, our chances of getting them, and how secure CDC feels in his job. But I don't think it's at all a foregone conclusion that Shaka is gone. There's certainly the possibility they write it off to a weird Covid year and bad luck and hype the B12 "title". The die-hards won't like it but the general public will shrug and continue to not watch Texas Basketball and it won't much matter.

Edited March 22, 2021 by BradInATX

[Js1 85144]

Ah we have hit the silly season for coaching changes. When Texas will dick slap the elite coaches with money and prestige of TEXAS. 

[Hagbard Celine 10771]

1 hour ago, JimmyJames said:

This. Who cares if Shaka is black, brown, yellow or purple. It’s been six fucking years. Nothing to show for it and should have been fired 3-4 years ago.  People bringing race into this somehow are just straight up trolling. 

not when we live in a reality where Albert Sidney Johnston's statue is thrown out with Robert E. Lee's and the aggy sul ross statue stands,.

[chemHORN 1239]

2 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Ah we have hit the silly season for coaching changes. When Texas will dick slap the elite coaches with money and prestige of TEXAS. 

And then end up with our 6th choice but pretend like he was our first

[Machinator 32098]

1 minute ago, BradInATX said:

I'm sure the money is there if he wants it. I just think they're going to be looking at timing. Unless you can get whoever you think is the absolute home run hire (for me this would be Beard only), as an AD, waiting a year might make sense. You don't really want to saddle your new HC with the shit show that next year will be, because then you're going to go into the new stadium coming off a bad year and no coaching change to give people hope and re-invigorate the fans.

The top priority should be building a winning program as soon as possible. The arena opening should not play a role. IMO, there is no home run hire like we perceived Urban Meyer to be in football. Musselman, Beard, and Underwood are probably your 1A, 1B, and 1C in some order, and they're probably bases-clearing triples. At the same time, no new elite candidate is going to emerge in one year, so putting a move off for that perfect coach is not worth it.

The only valid excuse is if the money is not there to make a top-shelf hire.