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Red Five
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That is tough to accomplish in four years, but I wouldn't put it past Shaka.

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Shaka should definitely get at least one more year. Many of his recruits will finally be upperclassmen by then, and he'll have his best shot of any year he's been here. Fans need to realize 2 maj

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4 hours ago, SwanderedTalent said:

the Georgia, Providence, and Oklahoma State losses were all way worse than VCU and Radford

agree. but VCU and Radford were at home which makes them almost as bad as OSU loss.  In order from most worstest to least worstest.  Georgia, OSU, Providence, Radford, VCU.(I could switch VCU and Radford but given VCU has some extra incentive to beat Shaka I put them least).

The guy needs to go yesterday...good and bad news is Roach may force CDC's hand and I just can't believe CDC will be caught napping.

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2 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

agree. but VCU and Radford were at home which makes them almost as bad as OSU loss.  In order from most worstest to least worstest.  Georgia, OSU, Providence, Radford, VCU.(I could switch VCU and Radford but given VCU has some extra incentive to beat Shaka I put them least).

The guy needs to go yesterday...good and bad news is Roach may force CDC's hand and I just can't believe CDC will be caught napping.

We're still 14 teams away from the cutline. If we make the tourney he's not going anywhere.

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7 minutes ago, Machinator said:

We're still 14 teams away from the cutline. If we make the tourney he's not going anywhere.

http://www.bracketmatrix.com/

We have to get to 17 wins to get in. As weak as the bubble is, I do not believe this team can get in with a 16-16 record. Even 17-15-- 9-9 in conference, first-round conf tournament loss-- seems dicey but I guess it would get us in.

I am not sure I agree that a 16-17, first-round-NCAA-tournament-loss season means Smart will definitely be back. I've said for weeks that because the buyout is so onerous, an NCAA tournament bid is sufficient to bring him back, but I am not sure a losing record and backing into a one-and-done tournament appearance is such a guarantee anymore. I don't think we'll just fire him and cut a $13m check. I do think we might fire him and hand him a bag of cash raised especially for the buyout. 

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13 minutes ago, Machinator said:

We're still 14 teams away from the cutline. If we make the tourney he's not going anywhere.

http://www.bracketmatrix.com/

I would tend to agree. It would have to be a catastrophic finish but without roach it's possible.    as it relates to CDC, I'm taking his word that he wants his teams to be challenging for Top 10.  We are years from that with Shaka.  Coleman's "development" and our continued shitty shooting are huge red flags for me.  If the right guy is available I can't believe he'd let $3-4M prevent him from making the move.  If the right guy isn't available then yes he will stick with him, likely, even with no NCAA tourney.  

Recent CDC hires give me hope he isn't into fucking around.  Especially, with one of the 2 revenue sports in college athletics that has a new arena showing up.  we are lucky/good enough that baseball is net neutral to positive.  should use it to our advantage.

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11 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

I would tend to agree. It would have to be a catastrophic finish but without roach it's possible.    as it relates to CDC, I'm taking his word that he wants his teams to be challenging for Top 10.  We are years from that with Shaka.  Coleman's "development" and our continued shitty shooting are huge red flags for me.  If the right guy is available I can't believe he'd let $3-4M prevent him from making the move.  If the right guy isn't available then yes he will stick with him, likely, even with no NCAA tourney.  

Recent CDC hires give me hope he isn't into fucking around.  Especially, with one of the 2 revenue sports in college athletics that has a new arena showing up.  we are lucky/good enough that baseball is net neutral to positive.  should use it to our advantage.

I still think Hoiberg presents the only reasonable/likely scenario for getting rid of Shaka this year. Avoiding paying the incoming coach a buyout likely makes it cheaper to fire Shaka this year then wIt another year and hire a coach with a buyout.

Now, whether we can get Hoiberg and whether CDC believes he’s the best man for the job are different questions, which make me think it’s unlikely to happen. Everything would have to fall right in this one for it to work.

 

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1 hour ago, Burt Macklin said:

Avoiding paying the incoming coach a buyout likely makes it cheaper to fire Shaka this year then wIt another year and hire a coach with a buyout.

 

Right, but Del Conte might-- might-- see this as a one-time premium he has to pay to rid himself of his predecessor's dead weight, if he truly believes the program needs a change. Shaka's circumstances are extraordinary, thus not something CDC is going to worry about having to repeat in four years. Our next coach might suck, but he's not going to have a poison pill buyout.

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55 minutes ago, SwanderedTalent said:

Right, but Del Conte might-- might-- see this as a one-time premium he has to pay to rid himself of his predecessor's dead weight, if he truly believes the program needs a change. Shaka's circumstances are extraordinary, thus not something CDC is going to worry about having to repeat in four years. Our next coach might suck, but he's not going to have a poison pill buyout.

This sounds like one of those "new" product ads of old: "The new and improved Shaka--he still sucks, but now with a poison pill buyout."

It's a shame we bought that. Must have had a catchy jingle. 

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1 hour ago, SwanderedTalent said:

Right, but Del Conte might-- might-- see this as a one-time premium he has to pay to rid himself of his predecessor's dead weight, if he truly believes the program needs a change. Shaka's circumstances are extraordinary, thus not something CDC is going to worry about having to repeat in four years. Our next coach might suck, but he's not going to have a poison pill buyout.

That’s my hope, but I have a hard time seeing it. Shaka’s buyout is larger than Charlie’s, and if he has any staff with guaranteed Ks beyond this year, you’re talking about $15 million for the total buyout. That’s absurd for the basketball program at UT.

We’ll know CDC is a true miracle worker if he can unload Shaka on another program or figure out some type of settlement to lower the buyout and get out of it this year.

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35 minutes ago, Burt Macklin said:

That’s my hope, but I have a hard time seeing it. Shaka’s buyout is larger than Charlie’s, and if he has any staff with guaranteed Ks beyond this year, you’re talking about $15 million for the total buyout. That’s absurd for the basketball program at UT.

We’ll know CDC is a true miracle worker if he can unload Shaka on another program or figure out some type of settlement to lower the buyout and get out of it this year.

This only happens, in my opinion, if the season ends in complete disaster-- losing record, and/or miss the NCAAs. It would take that as the catalyst. Then, it only happens if Del Conte can negotiate something smaller than the full buyout with Smart, and only THEN if some boosters pay for it. I don't think he's going to spend his own money to make a coaching change after a ~ .500 season that ends in the NCAA Tournament given all factors (if we were 8-19, it'd be different). 

100% wild supposition on my part. 

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2 minutes ago, Red Five said:

If you’re CDC, how do you keep a coach that everyone wants gone?

Maybe he can find him a soft landing spot somewhere.

If everyone wanted him gone, he'd be gone for sure at the end of the season. We need the people who matter (BMDs) to want him gone badly enough to cough up even more money.

Hard to find a soft landing with an albatross of that contract.

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AD's talk to each other. Rick Barnes has the job at Tennessee before his firing at Texas was even official. Our best hope is that a school like Wake really does have interest in Shaka, *and* that CDC has his replacement lined up. Without those two things then Shaka will be here next year, barring Texas going 0-fer from here on out. 

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I've said this going back a couple years now, but simply landing Andrew Jones (even if he'd stayed healthy) would be nowhere near enough to justify hiring Jai Lucas as one of your three top assistants. I said it back then, and I'm still pissed about it- how the hell did we not get Marques Bolden? He's best friends with AJ1, they train and play together all the time, and Bolden would have started at Texas and played 25, maybe even 30+ mpg from day one, whereas he was always going to have to wait for a quite awhile before he got his chance at Duke. If he had come to Texas I imagine his stats and draft stock would be miles ahead of what they are now. Just another terrible assistant hire who's done nothing to have earned his title. I hate watching Bolden at Duke knowing that the very reason we hired Lucas was to secure guys like him. 

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The reason I've keyed in on Musselman for so long is the fact that he loses his entire team this year and is simply an obvious candidate to replace Shaka *this year*, seeing as Texas is such a huge upgrade and the cupboard is bare for UNR going forward. I posted my updated wish list a month or so ago and it went something like Hoiberg, Prohm, Buzz, Howland, Musselman; I still think we can't go wrong with any of these guys, and I'm starting to zero in on Musselman and Buzz, simply because they make the most sense. They aren't my top two candidates, but they seem to me to be a bit more realistic than landing Hoiberg or Prohm.

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1 hour ago, Goo Punch said:

I've said this going back a couple years now, but simply landing Andrew Jones (even if he'd stayed healthy) would be nowhere near enough to justify hiring Jai Lucas as one of your three top assistants. I said it back then, and I'm still pissed about it- how the hell did we not get Marques Bolden? He's best friends with AJ1, they train and play together all the time, and Bolden would have started at Texas and played 25, maybe even 30+ mpg from day one, whereas he was always going to have to wait for a quite awhile before he got his chance at Duke. If he had come to Texas I imagine his stats and draft stock would be miles ahead of what they are now. Just another terrible assistant hire who's done nothing to have earned his title. I hate watching Bolden at Duke knowing that the very reason we hired Lucas was to secure guys like him. 

Cason and Shaka locked up Jones.

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Cason and Shaka locked up Jones.

He's been the biggest get of the Shaka Smart era imo, except that it's been negated by his unimaginable/tragic health issues. I won't begin to diminish what it meant to sign him, but he alone isn't enough to justify giving Jai Lucas a top assistant position. 

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Not sure what Lucas had to do with Jones. Jai was hired primarily for his Dad's connections in Houston (and southeast Texas in general) and to keep him from going to TCU as DIxon had made him an offer. 

  im not sure either. i have no idea what his role was in lansing Jones, i'm just pointing out that Jones is the best recruit we've gotten from the state since hiring Lucas. Meaning that best case scenario he's responsible for Jones, worst case scenario he's been a total hinderence to the program. 

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I don't disagree, but from Shaka's perspective as a guy who was fairly new to the lay of the land here in Texas losing Jai to Dixon probably seemed like a big deal at the time. He even demoted his best friend to do it.  A thing that is an absolute must for our next coach is to mend fences with Mitch Malone and the Dallas AAU community. Our lack of a relationship with that scene is killing us. We're going on a decade plus to even 20 years of being totally out of sorts with that area of the state. Star after star comes out of DFW where he barely even get a visit. Chris Bosh, Ike Diogu (his brother is a freaking Texas Ex), Deron WIlliams, Bracey Wright, Darrell Authur, PJ Washington, RJ Hampton, Tyrese Maxey, etc. I could make a full roster of McDonald's  AA out of Dallas who we didn't even sniff.   

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If we miss the tournament, CDC will bite the bullet and find the money. It’s not worth falling behind another year. 

Richest athletic program in the country, and we have to "find the money". I guess our BMDs being misers is worth cratering fan interest in the basketball program entirely.

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Richest athletic program in the country, and we have to "find the money". I guess our BMDs being misers is worth cratering fan interest in the basketball program entirely.

If CDC decides Shaka really has to go, I don't believe for a second that the money will be an issue. CDC could get water out of a rock. 

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Last three years, after losing Barnes' leftovers and signing three consecutive top 8 nationally ranked classes, Texas is 19-32 in the Big XII under Shaka Smart. 13 games below .500, even though only Duke, UK, and KU consistently recruit better than we do. We recruit better than Nova, UVA, Gonzaga, Sparty, UNC, Michigan, Tennessee, and in some of those cases it's not even remotely close; and yet we get 19-32 in the league. 

"Even a blind squirrel finds a nut". Shaka's entire career is *literally* ten years of underachieving and one miraculous, inexplicable Final Four run with a team that had no business being in the tourney. The man has made himself a killing on being charming and elusive/mysterious. He's controlled his public image brilliantly, from the way he turned down blue bloods to add to his allure, to the way he has kept a wall around his teams at Texas and left the public with nothing but questions about what the hell is going on. He has conned Texas out of millions in the process of all this. I would legit have respect for him if he had done his to OU. But instead he's done it to us. And now this is me:

 

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