The West's huge migrant crisis

[SmokeyBear1861 107]

29 minutes ago, bolverk said:

That may well be true, but their little FB manifesto is hitting all the key criteria to try and attain refugee status: fear of violence, persecution, and whatnot. But, yeah, since they're Hondurans, I'd argue Mexico (a closer neighbor) should be at partially responsible for helping take care of them until the situation improves. That said, I have no problem with the US, Mexico, or anyone else living up to our international obligations for the humane treatment of refugees.

If the situation in Honduras is so awful, maybe we ought to help them sort that shit out. It seems more productive and constructive than throwing a bitch fit on twitter when you are literally the most powerful man in the world. DO SOMETHING!!!

Granted though, I don't know what's going on there specifically, and I am not advocating military intervention...unless they have oil. /s

So you have watched gumball man. The Chilean coup d'état was messy but it is a good example of how to get rid of corrupt socialists.

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/032216/safest-countries-retire-latin-america.asp

http://en.mercopress.com/2014/11/09/uruguay-leads-the-prosperity-index-in-latin-america-and-ranks-30-worldwide

[bolverk 29718]

Your post makes no sense. Just checked, the party in charge in Honduras is the conservative party. Also, so far as I know, socialism hasn't really been much of a thing in Honduras - which was, after all, home to the right-wing Contras who fought the Nicaraguan Sandanistas during the 1980s.

And, ironically, "socialist" Nicaragua, currently ruled by Daniel Ortega, ranks higher than the US on the Global Peace Index rankings that you linked to.

[InkaUtexas 26109]

The problems in Honduras started when the US deported a shitload of gangbangers and walked away from any public security or Econ development programs.

There was a "coup" a few years ago against the socialist government

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Voters in Honduras have long been faced with a choice between the right and the centre right in a multi-party system dominated by bipartisanship. In the blue corner, the conservative National Party of Honduras (PNH) and in the red, the Liberal Party (PLH). The political pendulum has swung between the two for over 30 years. 

Presently however, the system is shifting. The change began with the 2005 election of Liberal Party candidate Manuel Zelaya, who unsettled his own party by forging an alliance with the regional socialist-backed ALBA movement; an intergovernmental organisation promoting social, political and economic integration in Latin America backed by revolutionary Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez. 

Zelaya also ordered the state's TV and radio stations to broadcast two hours of political propaganda each day and in 2009 proposed rewriting the constitution, particularly the part which limits Presidents to one term in office. Many in government were fearful this was a throwback to the days of dictatorship and subsequently Zelaya was deposed in a controversial coup d'état.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sponsored/lifestyle/honduras-gangs/11363289/honduras-politics.html

It takes time for countries to get back on their feet, but Honduras was safe as shit (unless you were a Sandinista operative/KGB Agitator) during the early 1980's. The cities were safe. It is also important to realize both parties politicized the internal gang warfare while doing very little about changing the economic environment. This applies to El Salvador as well where the Left is in charge. 

[David Dennison 18946]

1 hour ago, SmokeyBear1861 said:

So you have watched gumball man. The Chilean coup d'état was messy but it is a good example of how to get rid of corrupt socialists.

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/032216/safest-countries-retire-latin-america.asp

http://en.mercopress.com/2014/11/09/uruguay-leads-the-prosperity-index-in-latin-america-and-ranks-30-worldwide

So you're saying we should replace corrupt socialists with corrupt fascists?

Seems legit.

[High Plains Drifter 11052]

On 4/2/2018 at 9:44 AM, udaydanceparty said:

I thought it was a religion.

Maybe you shouldn't post about things you don't understand.

[SmokeyBear1861 107]

1 hour ago, David Dennison said:

So you're saying we should replace corrupt socialists with corrupt fascists?

Seems legit.

Did the corrupt "fascists" in Chile bring more prosperity than the corrupt "socialists" in Venezuela?

2 hours ago, bolverk said:

Your post makes no sense. Just checked, the party in charge in Honduras is the conservative party. Also, so far as I know, socialism hasn't really been much of a thing in Honduras - which was, after all, home to the right-wing Contras who fought the Nicaraguan Sandanistas during the 1980s.

And, ironically, "socialist" Nicaragua, currently ruled by Daniel Ortega, ranks higher than the US on the Global Peace Index rankings that you linked to.

I don't know if any party is really in charge in Honduras, with the amount of violence and gangs. I'm sure the 2009 constitutional crisis and coup that the Clinton state department has nothing to do with their problems the past 10 years... 

[David Dennison 18946]

14 minutes ago, SmokeyBear1861 said:

Did the corrupt "fascists" in Chile bring more prosperity than the corrupt "socialists" in Venezuela?

Ah. So fascism is OK as long as it brings prosperity. How very German.

[Fozzz 152]

at least Smokey is honest about it 

[udaydanceparty 33]

3 hours ago, InkaUtexas said:

The problems in Honduras started when the US deported a shitload of gangbangers and walked away from any public security or Econ development programs.

 

I am not going to put the blame on the US government for deporting violent criminals out of our country.   Send us doctors, lawyers and engineers..  They can keep the gang bangers and figure out what to do with them.

I'd also stipulate that we shouldn't be giving money to corrupt governments but directly helping communities within those countries.  If a foreign government is incompetent, our aid should be dependent on it actually reaching the people it's intended to help.

[udaydanceparty 33]

54 minutes ago, SmokeyBear1861 said:

Did the corrupt "fascists" in Chile bring more prosperity than the corrupt "socialists" in Venezuela?

Fascism is socialism with leftist PR.  Neither one is a viable option in my mind.

 

[InkaUtexas 26109]

15 minutes ago, udaydanceparty said:

 

I am not going to put the blame on the US government for deporting violent criminals out of our country.   Send us doctors, lawyers and engineers..  They can keep the gang bangers and figure out what to do with them.

I'd also stipulate that we shouldn't be giving money to corrupt governments but directly helping communities within those countries.  If a foreign government is incompetent, our aid should be dependent on it actually reaching the people it's intended to help.

I agree, it is just part of the equation a lot of people don't get. But in the case of Honduras and El Salvador they were US-based gangbangers we deported. And we get the lawyers, doctors, etc. That is another part of the problem. If a population only is left with the dregs, it is fucked. I argue with quite a few of my Central American friends living in the US they need to take back their country. 

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Since the Reagan administration, immigration enforcement has been framed as a key law enforcement tool, and the deportation of people convicted of crimes became a more expansive and increasingly routinized process. In 1996, President Bill Clinton signed the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility law, which made it far easier for the government to deport people convicted of certain crimes, including relatively minor ones and crimes committed by lawful permanent residents. At the same time, the INS Violent Gang Task Force, created in 1992, was working with local police to target immigrant gang members for deportation. In 2005, ICE’s Operation Community Shield was launched to target MS-13.

And I agree on direct funding vs. government aid packages. 

[Fozzz 152]

27 minutes ago, udaydanceparty said:

Fascism is socialism with leftist PR.  Neither one is a viable option in my mind.

 

lol Friedrich von Hayek advised Pinochet after the fall of the Allende government.  Hayek even held a meeting of the Mont Perelin Society at Viña del Mar in 1981.  

As to what is "socialism," I always liked Polanyi's definition: "Socialism is, essentially the tendency inherent in an industrial civilization to transcend the self-regulating market by consciously subordinating it to a democratic society."

Edited April 3, 2018 by Fozzz

[udaydanceparty 33]

13 minutes ago, Fozzz said:

lol Friedrich von Hayek advised Pinochet after the fall of the Allende government.  Hayek even held a meeting of the Mont Perelin Society at Viña del Mar in 1981.  

He made 2 visits over 4 years and made recommendations that were obviously ignored.  It was controversial at the time and it's been written about plenty.  Chile was about as close you can get to be considered Fascist without actually being classified as such. 

Edited April 3, 2018 by udaydanceparty

[Fozzz 152]

haha is that why Hayek recommended Chile as a preferred model of neoliberalism to Thatcher?

[udaydanceparty 33]

On a side note.. it's interesting that the Mexican government decided to disband this march and went as far as to deport a large portion of the group.  I guess they don't want to give Trump the ammo.

[udaydanceparty 33]

9 minutes ago, Fozzz said:

haha is that why Hayek recommended Chile as a preferred model of neoliberalism to Thatcher?

I haven't seen that word used before so I can't speak to that.  I know they praised steps they took to open up their markets and stabilize their currency.  I am sure it had something to do with the politics of the era considering it was the height of the cold war.

 

Edited April 3, 2018 by udaydanceparty

[SmokeyBear1861 107]

1 minute ago, udaydanceparty said:

On a side note.. it's interesting that the Mexican government decided to disband this march and went as far as to deport a large portion of the group.  I guess they don't want to give Trump the ammo.

Guess somebody down there figured out that it isn't going to be that great to completely ignore laws n borders. I wonder if http://www.pueblosinfronteras.org/ people will see any legal ramifications? They were listed at one point on their website, but I think have since taken it down. Their facebook page is hilarious.

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Alien Smuggling -- Subsection 1324(a)(1)(A)(i) makes it an offense for any person who -- knowing that a person is an alien, to bring to or attempts to bring to the United States in any manner whatsoever such person at a place other than a designated port of entry or place other than as designated by the Commissioner, regardless of whether such alien has received prior official authorization to come to, enter, or reside in the United States and regardless of any future official action which may be taken with respect to such alien.

Domestic Transporting -- Subsection 1324(a)(1)(A)(ii) makes it an offense for any person who -- knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that an alien has come to, entered, or remains in the United States in violation of law, transports, or moves or attempts to transport or move such alien within the United States by means of transportation or otherwise, in furtherance of such violation of law.

Encouraging/Inducing -- Subsection 1324(a)(1)(A)(iv) makes it an offense for any person who -- encourages or induces an alien to come to, enter, or reside in the United States, knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such coming to, entry, or residence is or will be in violation of law.

 

[InkaUtexas 26109]

Coyotes get pissed? They did not want any NGO's messing around with their bottom line? 

[Pods 7586]

Weird that Smokey and Uday Hussein up top post on the same threads with a very similar viewpoint, also both know stuff about fascists in Chile and pos rep each other.

Totally independent accounts with neither being a sock, I'm sure. 

Edited April 3, 2018 by Pods

[udaydanceparty 33]

7 minutes ago, Pods said:

Totally independent accounts with neither being a sock, I'm sure. 

You are paranoid. 

 

[Pods 7586]

Doesn't mean I'm not correct. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

I think uday is DSA or one of my other cyberstalkers.  The handle “udaydanceparty” is something I came up with back in 2003, when Uday was still alive.

[zork 629]

5 hours ago, udaydanceparty said:

On a side note.. it's interesting that the Mexican government decided to disband this march and went as far as to deport a large portion of the group.  I guess they don't want to give Trump the ammo.

Link?  I'm not seeing these reports of the disbanding, etc, but haven't been looking long and have been away from the computer till not too long ago today.

So reduced illegal immigration through strength?  Threaten to put the military on the border and it would affect the Mexican public's ability to cross the border as they do now.  So stop the people from Central America and then the Mexicans can still cross, unless Trump puts the military on the border till he gets his wall anyway.

Interesting news.  We'll see how it plays out.

Edited April 4, 2018 by zork

[sidis 9832]

Wait, we have Pinochet fanbois on this site? lol

[bolverk 29718]

47 minutes ago, sidis said:

Wait, we have Pinochet fanbois on this site? lol

It shouldn't come as a surprise that the same folks who have long expressed admiration for Putin would also be fans of Pinochet. Comparisons between the two have gone back years.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/will-the-us-treat-mr-putin-like-it-treated-pinochet/2016/01/27/37fc3ba8-c37e-11e5-b933-31c93021392a_story.html

http://www.economist.com/node/80678

http://www.nytimes.com/2000/01/01/world/yeltsin-resigns-man-top-still-mystery-vladimir-vladimirovich-putin.html

https://jamestown.org/program/the-russian-love-affair-with-pinochet/

[Jim Tom Pinch 120]

On 4/2/2018 at 1:09 PM, FondrenRoad said:

We would benefit from maintaining our current immigration rate until we double or triple our population.  Immigrants simply aren't a drain on our system.  Especially illegal immigrants who pass a physical endurance test to get here.  Americans are the drain.  Population growth is good economically, and necessary due to the design of our end-of-life welfare system.  Alternatively, we could incentivize parenthood as they've started to do in Europe and Japan.  Instead, we've made parenthood an economic disadvantage that is ridiculously expensive.

Lot of lies in here.

[Brian Fantana 6690]

15 hours ago, Chuckie Finster said:

I wonder if the Smokey's of the world realize how transparent their motives are to us actual Jews.

White/American people want to kill Jews = "both sides"

Brown/foreign people want to kill Jews = "OMG they must be stopped!"

You can't pick and choose when to care about antisemitism, and expect us to take you seriously.  

Friendly reminder that smokey was banned multiple times in the shag for overtly racist posts before retooling his approach to more subtle swam-style dog whistling and gaslighting. 

[udaydanceparty 33]

13 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

I think uday is DSA or one of my other cyberstalkers.  The handle “udaydanceparty” is something I came up with back in 2003, when Uday was still alive.

Nope.  Try again.

[udaydanceparty 33]

11 hours ago, zork said:

Link?  I'm not seeing these reports of the disbanding, etc, but haven't been looking long and have been away from the computer till not too long ago today.

So reduced illegal immigration through strength?  Threaten to put the military on the border and it would affect the Mexican public's ability to cross the border as they do now.  So stop the people from Central America and then the Mexicans can still cross, unless Trump puts the military on the border till he gets his wall anyway.

Interesting news.  We'll see how it plays out.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration-caravan/mexico-vets-and-disperses-central-american-migrant-caravan-idUSKCN1HA2D0

Interestingly enough.. this isn't the first time this group has organized a migrant caravan.  It's just the first time we've heard about it.

The caravan was organized by U.S-based advocacy group Pueblo Sin Fronteras, which seeks to draw attention to the rights of migrants and provide them with aid. The Mexican government says the caravan, which like others travels by road, rail and on foot, has been organized every year since 2010.

[Chuckie Finster 22735]

18 minutes ago, udaydanceparty said:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration-caravan/mexico-vets-and-disperses-central-american-migrant-caravan-idUSKCN1HA2D0

Interestingly enough.. this isn't the first time this group has organized a migrant caravan.  It's just the first time we've heard about it.

 

 

So wait... are you telling me that this is merely an annual occurrence and not a national security crisis that needs to be immediately addressed before we are all murdered?!?

Edited April 4, 2018 by Chuckie Finster

[udaydanceparty 33]

1 hour ago, Chuckie Finster said:

So wait... are you telling me that this is merely an annual occurrence and not a national security crisis that needs to be immediately addressed before we are all murdered?!?

Yep and the administration is using it as an excuse to send troops to the border to make immigration a national security concern.  I was speculating that someone on the right ended up setting this up so they could have the images and headlines to sensationalize the story.  Now that I know it's been going on for a while, I think it's probably just the administration being opportunistic so he could justify using military funds to fund the border wall. 

[Jim Tom Pinch 120]

10 hours ago, Chuckie Finster said:

So wait... are you telling me that this is merely an annual occurrence and not a national security crisis that needs to be immediately addressed before we are all murdered?!?

Wonder why the stories covering this never mentioned this until they turned around.

[Judge Roybeanbag 11821]

There’s not going to be a border wall, ever.  Maybe some semblance of a virtual one.  Not a physical one.  That’s something dotard and his retarded syncophants will never be capable of understanding. Because they are retards.  

[bolverk 29718]

11 hours ago, Jim Tom Pinch said:

Wonder why the stories covering this never mentioned this until they turned around.

‘You Hate America!’: How the ‘Caravan’ Story Exploded on the Right

WASHINGTON — It was the kind of story destined to take a dark turn through the conservative news media and grab President Trump’s attention: A vast horde of migrants was making its way through Mexico toward the United States, and no one was stopping them.

“Mysterious group deploys ‘caravan’ of illegal aliens headed for U.S. border,” warned Frontpage Mag, a site run by David Horowitz, a conservative commentator.

The Gateway Pundit, a website that was most recently in the news for spreading conspiracies about the school shooting in Parkland, Fla., suggested the real reason the migrants were trying to enter the United States was to collect social welfare benefits.

And as the president often does when immigration is at issue, he saw a reason for Americans to be afraid. “Getting more dangerous. ‘Caravans’ coming,” a Twitter post from Mr. Trump read.

The story of “the caravan” followed an arc similar to many events — whether real, embellished or entirely imagined — involving refugees and migrants that have roused intense suspicion and outrage on the right. The coverage tends to play on the fears that hiding among mass groups of immigrants are many criminals, vectors of disease and agents of terror. And often the president, who announced his candidacy by blaming Mexico for sending rapists and drug dealers into the United States, acts as an accelerant to the hysteria.

The sensationalization of this story and others like it seems to serve a common purpose for Mr. Trump and other immigration hard-liners: to highlight the twin dangers of freely roving migrants — especially those from Muslim countries — and lax immigration laws that grant them easy entry into Western nations.

The narrative on the right this week, for example, mostly omitted that many people in the caravan planned to resettle in Mexico, not the United States. And it ignored how many of those who did intend to come here would probably go through the legal process of requesting asylum at a border checkpoint — something miles of new wall and battalions of additional border patrol would not have stopped.

“They end up in schools on Long Island, some of which are MS-13!” declared Brian Kilmeade on the president’s preferred morning news program, “Fox & Friends,” referring to the predominantly Central American gang.

The coverage became so distorted that it prompted a reporter for Breitbart News who covers border migration, Brandon Darby, to push back. “I’m seeing a lot of right media cover this as ‘people coming illegally’ or as ‘illegal aliens.’ That is incorrect,” he wrote on Twitter. “They are coming to a port of entry and requesting refugee status. That is legal.”

In an interview, Mr. Darby said it was regrettable that the relatively routine occurrence of migrant caravans — which organizers rely on as a safety-in-numbers precaution against the violence that can happen along the trek — was being politicized. “The caravan isn’t something that’s a unique event,” he said. “And I think people are looking at it wrong. If you’re upset at the situation, it’s easier to be mad at the migrant than it is to be mad at the political leaders on both sides who won’t change the laws.”

As tends to be the case in these stories, the humanitarian aspects get glossed over as migrants are collapsed into one maligned category: hostile foreign invaders.

In November, Mr. Trump touched off an international furor when he posted a series of videos on Twitter that purported to show the effects of mass Muslim migration in Europe. Initially circulated by a fringe ultranationalist in Britain who has railed against Islam, the videos included titles like “Muslim migrant beats up Dutch boy on crutches!” “Muslim Destroys a Statue of Virgin Mary!” and “Islamist mob pushes teenage boy off roof and beats him to death!”

The assailant in one video the president shared, however, was not a “Muslim migrant.” And the other two videos depicted four-year-old events with no explanation.

These items tend to metastasize irrespective of the facts, but contain powerful visual elements to which Mr. Trump is known to viscerally respond.

Last February, Mr. Trump insinuated that some kind of terror-related episode involving Muslim immigrants had taken place in Sweden. “Who would believe this? Sweden,” he said at a rally in Florida, leaving Swedes and Americans baffled because nothing out of the ordinary had happened at all. “They took in large numbers. They’re having problems like they never thought possible.”

Like the caravan story, which apparently came to Mr. Trump’s attention as he watched “Fox & Friends,” the president was referring to something he had seen on cable news. And he later had to clarify that he was referring to a Fox News segment on issues Sweden was having with migrants generally, not any particular event.

The conservative National Review later called the piece in question “sensationalistic” and pointed out that a lack of government data made it virtually impossible to determine whether crime rates in the country were related to immigration.

When the president himself has not spread stories about immigration that were either misleading or turned out to be false, his White House aides have. Last year, the White House joined a pile-on by the conservative news media after it called attention to the account of a high school student in Montgomery County, Md., who said she was raped at school by two classmates, one of whom is an undocumented immigrant. The case became a national rallying cry on the right against permissive border policies and so-called sanctuary cities that treat undocumented immigrants more leniently. Fox News broadcast live outside the high school for days.

Prosecutors later dropped the charges after they said the evidence did not substantiate the girl’s claims.

The story of the caravan has been similarly exaggerated. And the emotional outpouring from the right has been raw — that was the case on Fox this week when the TV host Tucker Carlson shouted “You hate America!” at an immigrants rights activist after he defended the people marching through Mexico.

The facts of the caravan are not as straightforward as Mr. Trump or many conservative pundits have portrayed them. The story initially gained widespread attention after BuzzFeed News reported last week that more than 1,000 Central American migrants, mostly from Honduras, were making their way north toward the United States border. Yet the BuzzFeed article and other coverage pointed out that many in the group were planning to stay in Mexico.

That did not stop Mr. Trump from expressing dismay on Tuesday with a situation “where you have thousands of people that decide to just walk into our country, and we don’t have any laws that can protect it.”

The use of disinformation in immigration debates is hardly unique to the United States. Misleading crime statistics, speculation about sinister plots to undermine national sovereignty and Russian propaganda have all played a role in stirring up anti-immigrant sentiment in places like Britain, Germany and Hungary. Some of the more fantastical theories have involved a socialist conspiracy to import left-leaning voters and a scheme by the Hungarian-born Jewish philanthropist George Soros to create a borderless Europe.

Anyone watching Fox News this week would have heard about similar forces at work inside “the caravan.”

“This was an organized plan and deliberate attack on the sovereignty of the United States by a special interest group,” said David Ward, whom the network identified as a former agent for Immigration and Customs Enforcement. “They rallied a bunch of foreign nationals to come north into the United States to test our resolve.”

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

On 4/2/2018 at 12:53 PM, wildcat09 said:

Europe has a population of over 740 million people. It seems like quite a stretch to attribute a big swing in the feelings of Europeans about Jews to the influx of an additional ~ 1 million.

When the mil. you allow to immigrate has a virulent hated toward Jews and isn't afraid to act out physically it does tend to skew the anti semitism pendulum.  'Cept, some countries try to hide the statistical info that lets you know who is actually perpetrating the acts.

[GSU&UT 1798]

White nationalists have been the ones more frequently targeting Jews especially in the U.S. hth.

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

39 minutes ago, GSU&UT said:

White nationalists have been the ones more frequently targeting Jews especially in the U.S. hth.

That stat has never changed (stupid stays constant there).  Europe, allowing people barely out of mud huts who hate Jews, into their societies is where you're seeing the big uptick in violent acts.

[SmokeyBear1861 107]

48 minutes ago, GSU&UT said:

White nationalists have been the ones more frequently targeting Jews especially in the U.S. hth.

 

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/ben-barber/muslim-migrants-fan-europ_b_9395896.html

https://www.algemeiner.com/2015/05/13/study-exposes-depth-of-muslim-antisemitism-in-europe/

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In a 2014 study in France, for instance, 25 percent of the general public agreed with the statement “Jews have too much power in the economy and the financial world,” but 50 percent of Front National (right wing nationalist) sympathizers agreed; 67 percent of the Muslim population surveyed agreed.

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-Ed-Contributors/Muslim-anti-Semitism-in-Western-Europe

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/05/12/study-muslims-responsible-for-disproportionate-number-of-europes-anti-semitic-attacks/

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A new study published by the Institute for the Study of Global Anti-Semitism and Policy (ISGAP) confirms what many have long suspected: that the worst crimes against Jews in Europe are perpetrated by (European) Muslims, and that Muslims have been responsible for a “disproportionate” number of anti-Semitic attacks over the past 15 years.

 

[SmokeyBear1861 107]

On 4/3/2018 at 4:04 PM, Pods said:

Weird that Smokey and Uday Hussein up top post on the same threads with a very similar viewpoint, also both know stuff about fascists in Chile and pos rep each other.

Totally independent accounts with neither being a sock, I'm sure. 

(Tide)Pods yeah totally everyone who doesn't share your opinion is a sock. The hacker four chins is also a singular entity "bot farm" created by Russia.

[Brian Fantana 6690]

I'm glad we have smokey here to stick up for white supremacists, they really need a voice.

[Pods 7586]

5 hours ago, SmokeyBear1861 said:

(Tide)Pods yeah totally everyone who doesn't share your opinion is a sock. The hacker four chins is also a singular entity "bot farm" created by Russia.

Okay, so you are both individual, ignorant, shitty human beings. It really makes no difference to me. Your posts suck either way. 

[SmokeyBear1861 107]

Census going back to asking for citizenship (since it effects how many congressmen you have).

Hospitals in Mayor Sadiq Khan’s London resemble those in a war zone, a senior surgeon working to save victims of the capital’s surging violent crime wave has said.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2018/04/05/lead-surgeon-london-hospital-war-zone-two-slaughtered-overnight/

99 MS-13 Gang Members Arrested – All Entered US as ‘Unaccompanied Minors’

https://www.westernjournal.com/99-ms-13-gang-members-arrested-all-entered-us-as-unaccompanied-minors/

Illegal immigrant nabbed after going on the lam in 1995 for impregnating 12-year-old daughter

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/03/31/illegal-immigrant-nabbed-after-going-on-lam-in-1995-for-impregnating-12-year-old-daughter.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+foxnews%2Fnational+(Internal+-+US+Latest+-+Text)

Suspect Kills Man With Sword After Argument in Chinatown Boarding House, Police Say (Sanctuary City Philadelphia)

https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Philadelphia-Sword-Deadly-Stabbing-Boarding-House-Murder-477997843.html

An 85-year-old man from Mexico was arrested after deputies in Iredell County said he sexually assaulted a 10-year-old child.

http://www.wcnc.com/article/news/crime/85-year-old-charged-with-sexually-assaulting-10-year-old/275-532438917

Twice-deported illegal immigrant accused of raping young girl in Oregon

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/03/27/twice-deported-illegal-immigrant-accused-raping-young-girl-in-oregon.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+foxnews%2Fnational+(Internal+-+US+Latest+-+Text)&utm_content=Yahoo+Search+Results

 

Some others, immigration status unclear from the news stories.

http://myfox8.com/2018/03/29/winston-salem-man-accused-of-having-sex-with-girl-under-12/

http://www.hickoryrecord.com/news/crime/hudson-man-convicted-of-statutory-rape-of-child/article_361989e8-2610-11e8-ac7d-2385aae23a29.html

http://www.wral.com/raleigh-man-convicted-of-killing-wife-2-year-old-daughter/17443985/

Edited April 5, 2018 by SmokeyBear1861

[Heavy 6 68]

Good thing Mexicans aren’t racist or bigoted.

 

fucking white people

[TornACL 7722]

I am amazed by two common traits of uneducated hateful racist fucks. 

1) Their inability to understand the difference between correlation and causation. 

2) The depths of the internet they will scour to dig up stories and "facts" to rationalize their shitty fucking hateful views. 

[bolverk 29718]

SmokeyBear1861 sure seems to have a hard-on for race-baiting trolling. It's almost as if 1861 holds some sort of significance to him/her.

[SmokeyBear1861 107]

https://webmshare.com/vPDGB

[Brian Fantana 6690]

Yeah don't click that

[bolverk 29718]

Non-R1b1a1a2s are the bain of Western Civilization.

[XR4ticlone 122]

It's NOT race....

It's CULTURE...

My son's were adopted from Southern Russia...the Caucasus Mountains region.   These are literally the whitest mother fuckers on the planet.  

I wouldn't want 1.5 million, 150,000, 15,000, or even 1500 of them mass immigrating to the US because their culture is a disaster.

A society without shared values is headed towards ruin.  

A society where many of the people have no vested interest in it is also doomed. 

If America financially bankrupted & and it was no longer beneficial for them to be here vs their country of origin...how many of our 20 million uninvited guests would stay? 

[texas08 1599]

Because I don’t wanna start a thread and this seems to be an ok place for this, maybe not, whatever.

Assuming that pricks like the Canadian Justin Bieber and now the Irishman Connor McGregor are on visitor visas or on green cards....why are they still allowed to conduct business and possibly live on US soil after committing felonies?