(censored) video- cop straight up murders a dude

[Catdaddyhorn 3444]

13 hours ago, Uncle Nate said:

Bull.  Complying with the cops does NOT get you shot, no matter the color.  Comply from the start and you will live to see another day.

I'm a middle-aged white guy, but when I get pulled over I keep my hands on the steering wheel, say "yes sir" and "no sir", and only reach for insurance after telling the cop where it is located so he knows what I'm doing and can watch me.  My dad taught me when I was a young child that no matter how "in the right"  I may think I am, it won't matter if I'm dead because I did something stupid like reacting in a way where the cop doesn't know whether or not I'm reaching for a weapon.

I have had some seriously short-man, small-penis complex cops pull me over or interact with me in public.  No matter how in the wrong they were, I wasn't going to do anything to escalate the situation.  

You want to know why cops react the way they do?  Because there is a long, long, long list of dead cops who didn't.

 

Philando Castile disagrees. 

Edited July 6, 2019 by Catdaddyhorn

[immortal13 4059]

16 minutes ago, Catdaddyhorn said:

Philando Castile disagrees. 

This. There is no better example of "complying" than this incident, and he still got shot and killed

[hobbes2702 13034]

Lets say the cops pull him out of the car after boxing him in and arrest him. Do you think he would get the death penalty at his trial?

[RPM 26321]

I'm Team FTP but that guy choose poorly. All he had to do was show his ID.

[Goo Punch 4275]

3 hours ago, 4th and 5 said:

Not nearly so clear cut. I think it would be justified at trial. 

There are use of force statutes in Chapter 9 of the Penal Code for peace officers related to fleeing felons, and he is one when he attempted to evade in a motor vehicle. In some situations force can be justified to terminate a pursuit that endangers others. As there should be  

Did you all notice the guy was accelerating heavily when he was boxed in? You can hear his tires squealing. That situation may not last long. That truck can push those cars out of the way and run over a cop. The use of deadly force would be justified when the guy is committing an aggravated assault. Accelerating a car at a person is most definitely an aggravated assault. 

Y’all may not like it but that’s the way it would play out in court. In fact I think a grand jury would no bill the cop..

 

so if this exact same scenario played out but it was a citizen who pulled the trigger you think a jury would let him go? i seriously doubt it. 

[Goo Punch 4275]

if you go to youtube there's about a million videos of police from all over the eastern hemisphere handling potentially deadly situations without harming a single person. im talking endless videos of cops handling mentally ill people with knives or machetes, with the police oftentimes never even arming themselves. but maybe it's just a coincidence that all of the countries that *don't* arm their small town police forces with riot vehicles and army gear have a lower mortality rate when dealing with citizens who are potentially a threat to police.

like i said in the video i posted, i cannot even take seriously the "scared cop" argument in a situation like this one. it makes me sick that so many people can so easily excuse shooting this dude in the head. his suburban was boxed in. none of the cops was in imminent danger. at all. the cop could have hopped back into his car; he could have moved out of the way; in all honesty he could have calmly walked his ass way the hell out of harms way and then shot the dudes tires out before the guy ever posed a threat to anyone. instead he shot him in the head. and some of you defend that action. that's fuckin scary to me. 

Edited July 6, 2019 by Goo Punch

[PilotsError 2287]

17 hours ago, Uncle Nate said:

It simply is.

Read the rest of my post.  I dare you to find anyone shot by a cop who did exactly what my father taught me to do every time.  FROM THE START.

 

How do them boots taste?  Or do you just go straight for their zippers and SLUUUUUUURP it all up?

[Guest]

2 hours ago, Goo Punch said:

if you go to youtube there's about a million videos of police from all over the eastern hemisphere handling potentially deadly situations without harming a single person. im talking endless videos of cops handling mentally ill people with knives or machetes, with the police oftentimes never even arming themselves. but maybe it's just a coincidence that all of the countries that *don't* arm their small town police forces with riot vehicles and army gear have a lower mortality rate when dealing with citizens who are potentially a threat to police.

like i said in the video i posted, i cannot even take seriously the "scared cop" argument in a situation like this one. it makes me sick that so many people can so easily excuse shooting this dude in the head. his suburban was boxed in. none of the cops was in imminent danger. at all. the cop could have hopped back into his car; he could have moved out of the way; in all honesty he could have calmly walked his ass way the hell out of harms way and then shot the dudes tires out before the guy ever posed a threat to anyone. instead he shot him in the head. and some of you defend that action. that's fuckin scary to me. 

The cops should have moved out of the way...

 

LOLz.

 

Hell, the outrage should be that the cops didn't escort him to the Waffle House on the way back to the crib...right?  Big ole meanies.

Edited July 6, 2019 by slorch

[ChickenSandwich 9836]

2 hours ago, Goo Punch said:

if you go to youtube there's about a million videos of police from all over the eastern hemisphere handling potentially deadly situations without harming a single person. im talking endless videos of cops handling mentally ill people with knives or machetes, with the police oftentimes never even arming themselves. but maybe it's just a coincidence that all of the countries that *don't* arm their small town police forces with riot vehicles and army gear have a lower mortality rate when dealing with citizens who are potentially a threat to police.

like i said in the video i posted, i cannot even take seriously the "scared cop" argument in a situation like this one. it makes me sick that so many people can so easily excuse shooting this dude in the head. his suburban was boxed in. none of the cops was in imminent danger. at all. the cop could have hopped back into his car; he could have moved out of the way; in all honesty he could have calmly walked his ass way the hell out of harms way and then shot the dudes tires out before the guy ever posed a threat to anyone. instead he shot him in the head. and some of you defend that action. that's fuckin scary to me. 

There are a million instances of cops in the good ole USA handling potentially dangerous situations each month without harming a single person. 

But that is shitty news and doesn’t drive the google clicks. 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13512]

19 hours ago, Uncle Nate said:

Bull.  Complying with the cops does NOT get you shot, no matter the color.  Comply from the start and you will live to see another day.

I'm a middle-aged white guy, but when I get pulled over I keep my hands on the steering wheel, say "yes sir" and "no sir", and only reach for insurance after telling the cop where it is located so he knows what I'm doing and can watch me.  My dad taught me when I was a young child that no matter how "in the right"  I may think I am, it won't matter if I'm dead because I did something stupid like reacting in a way where the cop doesn't know whether or not I'm reaching for a weapon.

I have had some seriously short-man, small-penis complex cops pull me over or interact with me in public.  No matter how in the wrong they were, I wasn't going to do anything to escalate the situation.  

You want to know why cops react the way they do?  Because there is a long, long, long list of dead cops who didn't.

 

I’m a middle aged white guy and I haven’t been pulled over in 15+ years now by city cops so it’s kind of a moot point on how to act. 

[Goo Punch 4275]

14 minutes ago, ChickenSandwich said:

There are a million instances of cops in the good ole USA handling potentially dangerous situations each month without harming a single person. 

But that is shitty news and doesn’t drive the google clicks. 

no doubt there are, but that doesn't change the fact that here's in the USA we have an insanely exorbitant amount of cops killing unarmed people/people who were not a serious threat to anyone's life. it isn't that well-handled situations exclusively exist elsewhere, it's that cops killing citizens on a near/actual daily basis happens exclusively here. 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13512]

4 hours ago, RPM said:

I'm Team FTP but that guy choose poorly. All he had to do was show his ID.

The cop wasn’t looking to talk to the dead guy.  The cop wasn’t looking to run his ID.  The cop was looking for a reason to run this guy off either by arrest or harassment.  My guess is that this community doesn’t want homeless people so the police act accordingly. 

You're screwed when a cop wants to cause problems for you. You can’t win a law argument with them. The one thing cops do worry about is screwing with someone that has some power or can make trouble afterwards. You can arrest warren buffet but you’re fired tomorrow.  Therefore cops don’t drive into well-off neighborhoods arresting people.

A guy sleeping in a beat up Tahoe is red meat. What’s sad is that he most likely chose that spot wanting to be safe for the night. But I agree he should have complied whether he was in the right or not.

[David Dennison 18860]

35 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

I’m a middle aged white guy and I haven’t been pulled over in 15+ years now by city cops so it’s kind of a moot point on how to act. 

Always getting the benefit of the doubt has its privileges.

[FondrenRoad 4378]

3 hours ago, Goo Punch said:

so if this exact same scenario played out but it was a citizen who pulled the trigger you think a jury would let him go? i seriously doubt it. 

How exactly would a citizen get into this situation?  The guy fled and the police were in pursuit.  If you flee against some random dude questioning you in a parking lot about loitering, he wouldn't have the right to pursue you. 

I'm usually on the opposite side of the police in these shooting situations, and even here, I think they shouldn't have shot him. Still, the police were calmly questioning him and asked him to get out.  He escalated the situation and was putting all of them in danger. Hard to always make the perfectly correct decision when the adrenaline is rushing and you hear that car revving which could result in your car being pushed right on top of you. 

Unlike many of the hothead cops who kill someone, I think this one will feel wracked with guilt which sucks for him, but it is what we want in a police officer. His tone and demeanor up until that point didn't come across as one of the asshole "respect my authoritah" types. 

[Goo Punch 4275]

4 minutes ago, FondrenRoad said:

How exactly would a citizen get into this situation?  The guy fled and the police were in pursuit.  If you flee against some random dude questioning you in a parking lot about loitering, he wouldn't have the right to pursue you. 

I'm usually on the opposite side of the police in these shooting situations, and even here, I think they shouldn't have shot him. Still, the police were calmly questioning him and asked him to get out.  He escalated the situation and was putting all of them in danger. Hard to always make the perfectly correct decision when the adrenaline is rushing and you hear that car revving which could result in your car being pushed right on top of you. 

Unlike many of the hothead cops who kill someone, I think this one will feel wracked with guilt which sucks for him, but it is what we want in a police officer. His tone and demeanor up until that point didn't come across as one of the asshole "respect my authoritah" types. 

i already explained it earlier. someone robbed him/purse snatched someone, and he and others pursued the suspect. everything else is the same. they pin the guy in, he hits the gas and goes nowhere, and guy who pursued him shoots him in the head. is that murder, yes or no? was his life in imminent danger, yes or no? whatever other charges he might face are unrelated to the murder charge/acquittal. 

Edited July 6, 2019 by Goo Punch

[FondrenRoad 4378]

10 minutes ago, Goo Punch said:

i already explained it earlier. someone robbed him/purse snatched someone, and he and others pursued the suspect. everything else is the same. they pin the guy in, he hits the gas and goes nowhere, and guy who pursued him shoots him in the head. is that murder, yes or no? was his life in imminent danger, yes or no? whatever other charges he might face are unrelated to the murder charge/acquittal. 

Are citizens permitted to engage in a potentially deadly hot pursuit in order to seek justice for petty larceny?

This is always going to be the difference here whether you want it to be or not.  Don't focus on the thief. Think about the potential third parties in danger.  If you chase that guy and cause either he or yourself to run over a third party, you're gonna be on the hook. Some jurisdictions have reeled police in on this as well.

Edited July 6, 2019 by FondrenRoad

[Nice Guy Eddie 13512]

The cop should have woken the guy up, and just told him what was wanted:  leave the parking lot.  Perhaps its policy to run an ID on each person encountered but thats a bad policy.   Americans shouldn't be required to show their papers on demand.  And voluntarily complying with police orders can be a form of self-incrimination.

What are laws about driving away from an encounter with the police?  If I'm standing around, not in a car, and a cop wants to talk to me, I don't believe that I'm under an obligation to comply. Short of being under arrest, I can walk away.   If someone calmly drives away, is that a crime?  I realize that a cop's most frequently spoken phrase is that they're in fear of their life, so I guess that line can always apply to a car whereas it doesn't work with an unarmed pedestrian.

[Jkwellborn 6702]

and then shot the dudes tires out before the guy ever posed a threat. 

You and everyone else with this line of thinking is an absolute dumb ass. You don’t shoot at tires to attempt to incapacitate a vehicle. This isn’t a movie.

[Goo Punch 4275]

10 minutes ago, FondrenRoad said:

Are citizens permitted to engage in a potentially deadly hot pursuit in order to seek justice for petty larceny?

This is always going to be the difference here whether you want it to be or not.  Don't focus on the thief. Think about the potential third parties in danger.  If you chase that guy and cause either he or yourself to run over a third party, you're gonna be on the hook. Some jurisdictions have reeled police in on this as well.

ok let's make this real real easy: there was a wreck resulting in *the exact scenario we see in the video*. wreck happens, guy in the suburban spins his wheels and goes nowhere, and the driver in the cops position pulls out shoots him in the head exactly like in the video. answer the question- does a jury let the shooter walk?

the obvious answer that you keep avoiding is HELL no, because the dude's life was not remotely in danger. period. end of story. the only thing keeping this cop from a murder charge is the fact that he's a cop. no civilian could use the "scared for my life" defense in that situation and walk. that's a fact. 

[Goo Punch 4275]

Just now, Jkwellborn said:

You and everyone else with this line of thinking is an absolute dumb ass. You don’t shoot at tires to attempt to incapacitate a vehicle. This isn’t a movie.

lol. hey dumbass, i wasn't seriously suggesting that, i was illustrating how un-threatened the dude's life was by saying that if he'd wanted to he could have calmly walked over to the suburban and disabled it before it even remotely posed a threat. that's it. why the fuck would I of all people seriously be suggesting that one of America's finest be discharging his weapon for absolutely no reason? i'm on the other side of the fence on that one, in case my repeated anti-cop posts over the years haven't made that clear. 

[BradInATX 9208]

You and everyone else with this line of thinking is an absolute dumb ass. You don’t shoot at tires to attempt to incapacitate a vehicle. This isn’t a movie.

No, the correct move is shooting the person in the head, natch.

[Nivek 16930]

Not nearly so clear cut. I think it would be justified at trial. 
There are use of force statutes in Chapter 9 of the Penal Code for peace officers related to fleeing felons, and he is one when he attempted to evade in a motor vehicle. In some situations force can be justified to terminate a pursuit that endangers others. As there should be  
Did you all notice the guy was accelerating heavily when he was boxed in? You can hear his tires squealing. That situation may not last long. That truck can push those cars out of the way and run over a cop. The use of deadly force would be justified when the guy is committing an aggravated assault. Accelerating a car at a person is most definitely an aggravated assault. 
Y’all may not like it but that’s the way it would play out in court. In fact I think a grand jury would no bill the cop..
 

Grand jury ham sandwich.

[Neonmoon 38129]

1 hour ago, FondrenRoad said:

Are citizens permitted to engage in a potentially deadly hot pursuit in order to seek justice for petty larceny?

This is always going to be the difference here whether you want it to be or not.  Don't focus on the thief. Think about the potential third parties in danger.  If you chase that guy and cause either he or yourself to run over a third party, you're gonna be on the hook. Some jurisdictions have reeled police in on this as well.

I think this is a good point. Jurisdictions that limit police officers chasing perpetrators benefits everyone, not just third party damage. It goes back to my point in this matter. They confronted a man about loitering. He fled away. Instead of chasing a man down, endangering him, the officers, and any third parties, they should have added fleeing to his license tags and confronted another day, hopefully when he wasn’t behind the wheel. It doesn’t benefit the public to force a confrontation over loitering. 

[Jkwellborn 6702]

lol. hey dumbass, i wasn't seriously suggesting that, i was illustrating how un-threatened the dude's life was by saying that if he'd wanted to he could have calmly walked over to the suburban and disabled it before it even remotely posed a threat. that's it. why the fuck would I of all people seriously be suggesting that one of America's finest be discharging his weapon for absolutely no reason? i'm on the other side of the fence on that one, in case my repeated anti-cop posts over the years haven't made that clear. 

My ass. You listed several options on how the police should have handled it. If he had to disable the vehicle, a weapon would be an option. But again, anyone that thinks shoot at tires with a fucking hand gun is a good idea, needs to turn off GTA.

[4th and 5 4914]

 Every police department policy of which I am aware, and I am aware of many, prohibit the use of firearms to shoot out a tire of a vehicle, with the exception of the Texas department of public safety. 

[Goo Punch 4275]

18 minutes ago, Jkwellborn said:

My ass. You listed several options on how the police should have handled it. If he had to disable the vehicle, a weapon would be an option. But again, anyone that thinks shoot at tires with a fucking hand gun is a good idea, needs to turn off GTA.

it doesn't really matter whether you believe me or not. i do not want any cops anywhere discharging their weapons at a stalled fucking vehicle that's threatening exactly nobody. i dunno if you've ever seen me post before, but hyperbole is kind of my thing. keep raging if you want to, but you're charging at windmills. me seriously suggesting that cops should be firing their guns haphazardly in public happens the same day i suggest that jeff fisher is a hall of fame coach. i respect/trust cops to do their job well the same amount i do fisher. 

 

Edited July 6, 2019 by Goo Punch

[Jkwellborn 6702]

it doesn't really matter whether you believe me or not. i do not want any cops anywhere discharging their weapons at a stalled fucking vehicle that's threatening exactly nobody. i dunno if you've ever seen me post before, but hyperbole is kind of my thing. keep raging if you want to, but you're charging at windmills. me seriously suggesting that cops should be firing their guns haphazardly in public happens the same day i suggest that jeff fisher is a hall of fame coach. i respect/trust cops to do their job well the same amount i do fisher. 
 

You think Jeff will ask Vince to introduce him?

[Hagbard Celine 10866]

2 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

The cop should have woken the guy up, and just told him what was wanted:  leave the parking lot.  Perhaps its policy to run an ID on each person encountered but thats a bad policy.   Americans shouldn't be required to show their papers on demand.  And voluntarily complying with police orders can be a form of self-incrimination.

What are laws about driving away from an encounter with the police?  If I'm standing around, not in a car, and a cop wants to talk to me, I don't believe that I'm under an obligation to comply. Short of being under arrest, I can walk away.   If someone calmly drives away, is that a crime?  I realize that a cop's most frequently spoken phrase is that they're in fear of their life, so I guess that line can always apply to a car whereas it doesn't work with an unarmed pedestrian.

Papier Bitte is part of Comply or Die.  Good or bad policy, it's unconstitutional, and it doesn't matter, because post 9/11 it's the truth.  Too big to fail, to powerful to prosecute.

In the 20 years before 9/11, one could approach police, individually or in groups, to ask questions, regardless of the subject.  Post 9/11, approaching police results in the police placing their hand near their weapon if not on the weapon itself.  Watch for it the next time you approach the police.  At your own risk.

I am white, middle-aged, and live in an upscale neighborhood in an extremely red city in an extremely red county.  And I can see it.

I no longer report crime that i witness because i do not want to interact with the police.  The public servants that I pay for.

[Nivek 16930]

The cops was very quick to pull his firearm when there was no threat before the chase and once again too quick to discharge after the vehicle was stopped.

I have no issue with him pulling the firearm after the crash.

I talked with an ex cop once and she told me her most potent weapon was her voice.

Overall it seemed they were too quick to get aggressive and to try to control the situation. A softer approach could have avoided it all.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13512]

I don’t claim to understand police procedures but I would think that if you want a sleeping person to move on, tap on the window, back up a bit and ask the person to move on.  Shining a light on them, and asking them to exit the vehicle isn’t necessary in getting them to move.  With anything in life, being clear on the goal and then backing down once achieved is usually the best path.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13512]

I don’t claim to understand police procedures but I would think that if you want a sleeping person to move on, tap on the window, back up a bit and ask the person to move on.  Shining a light on them, and asking them to exit the vehicle isn’t necessary in getting them to move.  With anything in life, being clear on the goal and then backing down once achieved is usually the best path.

[immortal13 4059]

The bottom line is that this whole incident did not need to end with someone being killed....cop or citizen. Nowadays cops almost always escalate situations instead of doing whatever they can to resolve them without unnecessary violence. The only reason I can come up with for this is that they can and they get away with it time and time again. 

[markstanco 12577]

Driving while black: Not even once.

[RPM 26321]

If he just showed them an ID...

[Guest]

5 hours ago, RPM said:

If he just showed them an ID...

If the cops had just wrapped him in swaddling clothes and taken him home...

Such a good kid.

[David Dennison 18860]

14 minutes ago, slorch said:

If the cops had just wrapped him in swaddling clothes and taken him home...

Such a good kid.

Another victim of big government.

Sad!

[hobbes2702 13034]

On 7/6/2019 at 3:39 PM, RPM said:

If he just showed them an ID...

Show us your papers!!!

 

Lots of people seem to really be a fan of the state murdering people for not showing their ID.

[cabowabo 4484]

On 7/5/2019 at 1:06 PM, Neonmoon said:

2. Fleeing and eluding a police officer is a class B misdemeanor and does not carry a penalty of execution.

Fleeing from an officer in a motor vehicle is a state jail felony counselor. 

[immortal13 4059]

5 minutes ago, cabowabo said:

Fleeing from an officer in a motor vehicle is a state jail felony counselor. 

Punishable by death

[Goo Punch 4275]

43 minutes ago, cabowabo said:

Fleeing from an officer in a motor vehicle is a state jail felony counselor. 

going too slow in the left lane should be a state jail felony. 

[Cheeseweasel 26438]

On 7/5/2019 at 4:36 PM, dirtonia said:

Fuck the police.

[ImissWallyPryor 9046]

On 7/6/2019 at 11:08 AM, Nivek said:

The cops was very quick to pull his firearm when there was no threat before the chase and once again too quick to discharge after the vehicle was stopped.

I have no issue with him pulling the firearm after the crash.

I talked with an ex cop once and she told me her most potent weapon was her voice.

Overall it seemed they were too quick to get aggressive and to try to control the situation. A softer approach could have avoided it all.

I had a brief (as in 2 shifts before I realized my life had value) job with Longhorn Security in 1979. My second shift was working security at a bar near where Seton NW Hospital is now called For The Good Times. It was a rough joint.

The indoor security guy was an off-duty Mexican (American) cop with a revolver. My job as outside security was to remove customers from the parking lot after they had been kicked out. All I had was a night stick and my voice. I had to talk more than one guy out of taking out their anger on me.

I have stories I could tell, but besides learning quickly how to de-escalate volatile situations, I know know why unarmed European police have no-go zones in many of their cities. 

That helps explain why there are far fewer instances of police shootings in Europe. Police there won’t even venture into entire districts that are deemed too dangerous. 

[hayden_horn 11362]

28 minutes ago, ImissWallyPryor said:

I had a brief (as in 2 shifts before I realized my life had value) job with Longhorn Security in 1979. My second shift was working security at a bar near where Seton NW Hospital is now called For The Good Times. It was a rough joint.

The indoor security guy was an off-duty Mexican (American) cop with a revolver. My job as outside security was to remove customers from the parking lot after they had been kicked out. All I had was a night stick and my voice. I had to talk more than one guy out of taking out their anger on me.

I have stories I could tell, but besides learning quickly how to de-escalate volatile situations, I know know why unarmed European police have no-go zones in many of their cities. 

That helps explain why there are far fewer instances of police shootings in Europe. Police there won’t even venture into entire districts that are deemed too dangerous. 

oh come on. which european cities have no go zones? 

and this whole thing did not need to happen. see, when a cop sees a guy loitering in his car, what is the goal? to move along, one might think. 

no, the goal is to fuck with the person, exert your power of position over that person, go on a warrant fishing expedition, and to bait the person into committing a crime so you can fuck with them on the next level of aggression.

that's what this was.

"hey, you can't be here, get on out of here."

that's all that needed to be said, and i imagine our dead person here would have driven off. 

cops actively try to project fear into their interactions with the public. fear makes people do some crazy shit. cops should not project the fear of their position into their interactions with the public. 

even if this guy peels rubber and drives away, what is the goal of chasing him?

[Dennis Taylor 18828]

4 year old video of well known activist Quannel X going through some police training scenarios. well worth the 4:30

 

  

 

[gernblansten 3197]

Quanell just needed to de-escalate the situations.

[Hagbard Celine 10866]

On 7/8/2019 at 1:44 PM, hayden_horn said:

cops actively try to project fear into their interactions with the public. fear makes people do some crazy shit. cops should not project the fear of their position into their interactions with the public.

cops are warriors;

warriors fight wars;

wars require enemies;

the only enemies available to cops are citizens;

thus, citizens are enemies;

therefore, cops wage war on citizens;

comply or die.

abracadabra.

[Jkwellborn 6702]

cops are warriors;
warriors fight wars;
wars require enemies;
the only enemies available to cops are citizens;
thus, citizens are enemies;
therefore, cops wage war on citizens;
comply or die.
abracadabra.

Kellen Winslow thread is ——>. Never mind. You said warrior and not soldier.

Quannel x is a dipshit