2023 Transfer Thread - Texas Capitalized, ATM Victimized

16 hours ago, pacman said:

Perkins played 9 plays, credited with a tackle. Just seems like the LSU DC is a certified dumbass.

 

 

 

if HAROLD PERKINS is not athletic enough to play LB, your expectations are too high.

9 hours ago, Da Fino said:

NYCKOLES HARBOR.

i've never watched games for schools i don't care about for one specific player. i think he may be the guy i do this for if he is playing. dude is literally a freak athlete.

i've never watched games for schools i don't care about for one specific player. i think he may be the guy i do this for if he is playing. dude is literally a freak athlete.

Isn’t he still in High School?

1 minute ago, kwood4408 said:

Isn’t he still in High School?

currently, yes.

next year, no

12 hours ago, RabidM said:

I don't think we'll fail to match, but I think there might be some sticker shock.  He might get QB type money offers. 

It’s an interesting question. I know with Worthy, USC tried to money whip. But in general, I wouldn’t think teams like Texas or USC or tOSU are going to try to induce starters from Alabama and Georgia to transfer. That seems like an insane waste of resources that would drive up prices to unsustainable levels. OTOH, it would be a great way to fuck with teams. You could easily kill the budgets of Alabama, Georgia, Tennessee, and A&M just by offering crazy dollars to their starters. If they stayed with their current team, they would be budget killers.

Edited October 11, 2022 by Bevo

Perkins as an off ball LB would gruntle me. 

One complete unknown for me is how much of Texas’ NIL resources are going to be taken up by retaining current players.  If every player is essentially a free agent every year, it sure seems like spending could get out of hand in a hurry.  My worry is if we are giving 9 figure deals to every one of our players who makes an all-conference team, the money will eventually run out and there may be less for recruits and portal adds.

2 minutes ago, Snake Diggity said:

One complete unknown for me is how much of Texas’ NIL resources are going to be taken up by retaining current players.  If every player is essentially a free agent every year, it sure seems like spending could get out of hand in a hurry.  My worry is if we are giving 9 figure deals to every one of our players who makes an all-conference team, the money will eventually run out and there may be less for recruits and portal adds.

Yeah, it seems like long term, this chaotic, lack of control “system” will fail.

15 minutes ago, Snake Diggity said:

One complete unknown for me is how much of Texas’ NIL resources are going to be taken up by retaining current players.  If every player is essentially a free agent every year, it sure seems like spending could get out of hand in a hurry.  My worry is if we are giving 9 figure deals to every one of our players who makes an all-conference team, the money will eventually run out and there may be less for recruits and portal adds.

If the money runs out for us, it runs out for other schools way before. The system is borked but I am not worried that Texas will be getting the shaft. Schools will probably have to use a more NFL approach to decide who gets the money.

QB, OT, Edge, WR, CB, DT, RB, TE, S, LB

1 minute ago, LebongJames said:

If the money runs out for us, it runs out for other schools way before. The system is borked but I am not worried that Texas will be getting the shaft. Schools will probably have to use a more NFL approach to decide who gets the money.

QB, OT, Edge, WR, CB, DT, RB, TE, S, LB

I think over time it’ll shake out in Texas’ favor. I expect the rules to change to tamper the chaos; even if they don’t Texas resources will outstrip all others, like you said.  But in the short term there may be a period where there’s a combination of other teams spending beyond their resources, players operating with false/incomplete info, and Texas not having their NIL operations totally refined yet.  That could all combine to Texas’ detriment.

16 minutes ago, Snake Diggity said:

One complete unknown for me is how much of Texas’ NIL resources are going to be taken up by retaining current players.  If every player is essentially a free agent every year, it sure seems like spending could get out of hand in a hurry.  My worry is if we are giving 9 figure deals to every one of our players who makes an all-conference team, the money will eventually run out and there may be less for recruits and portal adds.

 

13 minutes ago, Bevo said:

Yeah, it seems like long term, this chaotic, lack of control “system” will fail.

The good news is that everyone is facing the same problems. There will ultimately be an equilibrium sought naturally and the well-heeled elites will hover around that. Corporate NIL will also be a big differentiator and that works in UT's favor as well. If you're wondering about things for this offseason, Texas NIL is very aware of the need for 3 buckets of capital - one for retention, one for recruiting, one for acquiring within the portal. The belief is that both December and May (I guess April now?) are critical in this regard.

The portal is more complicated than recruiting, simply because the factors for an established player are different. A QB or LT leaving a team that is expected to contend for a national title while they're projecting individually into early round slots is going to have a hard time leaving even if the NIL isn't comparable to someone else.

So if you look at Banks, he'd have to want to go somewhere and learn a new system, be confident that he will start, that the program will be in the spotlight, and all the while learning a new campus and social life. He's going to do that when he's getting plenty of $$ at Texas, on a 1st round trajectory, the program appears headed upward, and the team is constantly in the national spotlight, especially as it heads towards the SEC in his junior season? 

In 2024, Texas gets Michigan at home in week 2, will play OU in the Cotton Bowl, will be playing ATM, Arkansas, and some of Georgia, LSU, Bama, Tenn, Florida. They will be on the national stage constantly. Every JR worth a fuck will have multiple chances to elevate their NFL prospects in ways almost no other school can offer. 

The expanded playoff happening more sooner than later will be a boon for teams working within the portal who are also playoff contenders. I think it also helps limit their exposure to poachers.

15 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

 

 

So if you look at Banks, he'd have to ... be confident that he will start .... 

I agree with all of this, but this part had me laughing out loud. 

16 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

 

The good news is that everyone is facing the same problems. There will ultimately be an equilibrium sought naturally and the well-heeled elites will hover around that. Corporate NIL will also be a big differentiator and that works in UT's favor as well. If you're wondering about things for this offseason, Texas NIL is very aware of the need for 3 buckets of capital - one for retention, one for recruiting, one for acquiring within the portal. The belief is that both December and May (I guess April now?) are critical in this regard.

The portal is more complicated than recruiting, simply because the factors for an established player are different. A QB or LT leaving a team that is expected to contend for a national title while they're projecting individually into early round slots is going to have a hard time leaving even if the NIL isn't comparable to someone else.

So if you look at Banks, he'd have to want to go somewhere and learn a new system, be confident that he will start, that the program will be in the spotlight, and all the while learning a new campus and social life. He's going to do that when he's getting plenty of $$ at Texas, on a 1st round trajectory, the program appears headed upward, and the team is constantly in the national spotlight, especially as it heads towards the SEC in his junior season? 

In 2024, Texas gets Michigan at home in week 2, will play OU in the Cotton Bowl, will be playing ATM, Arkansas, and some of Georgia, LSU, Bama, Tenn, Florida. They will be on the national stage constantly. Every JR worth a fuck will have multiple chances to elevate their NFL prospects in ways almost no other school can offer. 

The expanded playoff happening more sooner than later will be a boon for teams working within the portal who are also playoff contenders. I think it also helps limit their exposure to poachers.

Regarding Banks, I’d also throw in that at Texas he is being coached by Kyle Flood, a guy with a proven track record of putting guys in the NFL. That narrows down his options if he looks around as well. He doesn’t want to end up under the tutelage of a Herb Hand type somewhere else. 

I wonder if aggy will piss all over themselves sweating it out and wondering if they can pull Hudson Card out of the portal for next season. 

2 hours ago, Duane Moore said:

Regarding Banks, I’d also throw in that at Texas he is being coached by Kyle Flood, a guy with a proven track record of putting guys in the NFL. That narrows down his options if he looks around as well. He doesn’t want to end up under the tutelage of a Herb Hand type somewhere else. 

That nice and mentally stable OL corch in College Station who also has a long and distinguished track record of caring about the health and welfare of his players scares you to death.

26 minutes ago, Redneck Mutha said:

That nice and mentally stable OL corch in College Station who also has a long and distinguished track record of caring about the health and welfare of his players scares you to death.

If Banks is a just a guy who wants to be a dude, then what’s better than that?

3 hours ago, Vertigo said:

I wonder if aggy will piss all over themselves sweating it out and wondering if they can pull Hudson Card out of the portal for next season. 

Ehh, Card’s problem is that he has tiny hands.

Gerry Hamilton said in a livestream this week that he knows of 2 blue-chip WRs who would be interested in portaling to UT after the season. He mentioned their have been previous rumors about them. I gotta imagine 1 of them is Evan Stewart:

 

 

 

Follower of Chryst

https://247sports.com/player/logan-brown-45572566/

Michigan kid who took visits to Notre Dame, Ohio and the two big Michigan schools.

11 hours ago, Radical Larry said:

Follower of Chryst

Texans lock, therefore. 

3 hours ago, ATXbronco said:

https://247sports.com/player/logan-brown-45572566/

Michigan kid who took visits to Notre Dame, Ohio and the two big Michigan schools.

Saw talk on another board looking like Michigan State.

19 minutes ago, Elmer_Fudd said:

Saw talk on another board looking like Michigan State.

 

Leaving because of alleged disciplinary issues.

https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/uw/2022/10/13/wisconsins-logan-brown-announces-transfer-after-incident-practice/10485097002/

 

I could be wrong, but he is no longer listed on the Wisconsin Football program's website.

 

40 minutes ago, Elmer_Fudd said:

Saw talk on another board looking like Michigan State.

There are no other boards.

16 hours ago, BigOrange1 said:

 

 

Punched someone at practice. 

you can't quit because you're fired.

1 hour ago, Post Oak said:

Punched someone at practice. 

Maybe he slept they coach. 

1 hour ago, Post Oak said:

Punched someone at practice. 

Imagine the fire he’d bring to an actual game.

1 hour ago, Post Oak said:

Punched someone at practice. 

Ben Davis was named a team leader for that

Seems like he must have punched a trainer or coach to get cut for it.

Or a donkey punch

On 10/13/2022 at 3:55 PM, Post Oak said:

Punched someone at practice. 

Obligatory:

 

Younger brother of former Longhorn grad transfer Parker Braun. 

the Utah AD is a snitch: https://www.si.com/college/2022/10/17/forde-yard-dash-what-happens-when-collective-comes-calling

TL;DR the Bama collective offered the Utah TE ~1m to come play at Bama

Skeptical of that number.

40 minutes ago, Hornlover said:

 

Younger brother of former Longhorn grad transfer Parker Braun. 

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The 6-foot-6, 351-pound Braun started in 7 of 13 games for the Gators at left and right guard in 2021. But it was clear he was not in first-year coach Billy Napier's plans for 2022. Braun appeared in just two of seven games for Florida this season and did not play despite an injury to starting right guard O'Cyrus Torrence.

 

59 minutes ago, BornAndRaised said:

the Utah AD is a snitch: https://www.si.com/college/2022/10/17/forde-yard-dash-what-happens-when-collective-comes-calling

TL;DR the Bama collective offered the Utah TE ~1m to come play at Bama

The one that just shit on USC?

Only fair they got delance, we get Braun (assuming he’s any good)

1 minute ago, bluto said:

Only fair they got delance, we get Braun (assuming he’s any good)

Was Delance the one who couldn't get through the stretching lines correctly under Herman? Or was that another OL?

6 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said:

Was Delance the one who couldn't get through the stretching lines correctly under Herman? Or was that another OL?

You might be thinking of Sheppard. 

11 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

The one that just shit on USC?

yeah. 16 catches for 234 yards

1 hour ago, BornAndRaised said:

the Utah AD is a snitch: https://www.si.com/college/2022/10/17/forde-yard-dash-what-happens-when-collective-comes-calling

"Snitch" would imply someone is cheating.  Just sounds like whining to me.  It's not even bad whining, mostly frustration that I don't blame him for.  Is there anything illegal (or even shady) about a collective going to a collegiate player and showing them how much $ they could make with NIL playing for a high profile program like x (ie not utah)?  I don't like the dynamic, but I believe it's fair game under current rules (maybe I'm wrong on that?).  Yes, everyone understands that it's ultimately an indirect inducement to play at a certain place, but it's within the rules as long as it's structured properly (as I understand it).  Either push to revise the rules or learn how to play the game.  If that Utah AD called me (as the AD of the other school) and asked me to reach out to the collective to "back off", I'd nicely tell him that the collective isn't under my control and this is just how things work under the current rules.        

 

“Offered…over a million dollars to pull him over to another team” is not “indirect” inducement, it is plain inducement.  Which, whatever you think the consequences will actually be, is against the NIL rules as written.  I don’t think anyone here finds the idea of directly tampering with opposing players who have not entered the portal appealing or noble.  But it may very well encourage a race to the bottom if there are no consequences and the behavior continues.

Hiroshima-style carpet bombing the other Texas schools with leaflets advertising how much the average O-Lineman gets paid at UT would be more of an indirect inducement.

16 minutes ago, Professor Chesney said:

“Offered…over a million dollars to pull him over to another team” is not “indirect” inducement, it is plain inducement.

I'm guessing that is someone's interpretation of what happened, I doubt the $ folks were dumb enough to be that direct.  Regardless of how it went down in the Utah case, I think it's fair to say that many of these NIL deals (recruiting, retention, or portal) are obviously indirect inducement that fall within the current rules.  I don't like it, but the box is open and I don't see a clear way to regulate it.  It's too grey/subjective.  If a company CEO pushes for a lucrative NIL deal for a recruit or transfer, is it inducement if that CEO is a Texas Ex?  If the company only does business in central TX and will only give NIL deals for kids playing at Texas, is that just smart business or is that inducement?  Unless they find a way to put up some guard rails, I'm of the opinion that you play the game (within the rules) as aggressively as possible.  Get the best lawyers and put strong oversight in place.  I don't think this current NIL model is sustainable long term, but watching the world pass you by while "trying to be noble" will be a losing approach.  

4 hours ago, bluto said:

Only fair they got delance, we get Braun (assuming he’s any good)

Is Braun a OG like his brother? UT already has plenty of OGs. If UT is gonna take a transfer portal OL, they'd maybe take an older OT.

Edited October 19, 2022 by TheMailBox357

The "spirit of the law" is now that anything goes. We need to be careful to obey the "letter of the law" and not anything whatsoever more restrictive. We are archaic suckers if we sit back and wait to see what other schools do in boundary-pushing.

1 hour ago, Professor Chesney said:

“Offered…over a million dollars to pull him over to another team” is not “indirect” inducement, it is plain inducement.  Which, whatever you think the consequences will actually be, is against the NIL rules as written.  I don’t think anyone here finds the idea of directly tampering with opposing players who have not entered the portal appealing or noble.  But it may very well encourage a race to the bottom if there are no consequences and the behavior continues.

Hiroshima-style carpet bombing the other Texas schools with leaflets advertising how much the average O-Lineman gets paid at UT would be more of an indirect inducement.

 

37 minutes ago, blutow said:

I'm guessing that is someone's interpretation of what happened, I doubt the $ folks were dumb enough to be that direct.  Regardless of how it went down in the Utah case, I think it's fair to say that many of these NIL deals (recruiting, retention, or portal) are obviously indirect inducement that fall within the current rules.  I don't like it, but the box is open and I don't see a clear way to regulate it.  It's too grey/subjective.  If a company CEO pushes for a lucrative NIL deal for a recruit or transfer, is it inducement if that CEO is a Texas Ex?  If the company only does business in central TX and will only give NIL deals for kids playing at Texas, is that just smart business or is that inducement?  Unless they find a way to put up some guard rails, I'm of the opinion that you play the game (within the rules) as aggressively as possible.  Get the best lawyers and put strong oversight in place.  I don't think this current NIL model is sustainable long term, but watching the world pass you by while "trying to be noble" will be a losing approach.  

Exactly what NCAA rule do y'all think is broken when someone who is neither a representative of a school nor a booster informs a player that he would receive a $500k NIL deal if he came to play in a certain city?